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Post by volleyballjim on Jan 8, 2020 20:45:23 GMT -5
Just listened to Part I of the riveting podcast on Sandcast of Sinjin Smith. He mentioned that (as I understood it) in the interview that, due to an Olympic exhibition match in 1992, he was fined $70k and banned from AVP play for some time period. Evidently the players he played against assessed the fine and then played the tour without his presence. This 1992 exhibition was the precursor to the 1996 official debut of Olympic Beach Volleyball. Big Sinjin fan but curious about the other side of this “history”.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 9, 2020 8:47:27 GMT -5
Just listened to Part I of the riveting podcast on Sandcast of Sinjin Smith. He mentioned that (as I understood it) in the interview that, due to an Olympic exhibition match in 1992, he was fined $70k and banned from AVP play for some time period. Evidently the players he played against assessed the fine and then played the tour without his presence. This 1992 exhibition was the precursor to the 1996 official debut of Olympic Beach Volleyball. Big Sinjin fan but curious about the other side of this “history”. I have not listened to the episode yet, but what was the issue with an Olympic exhibition match and why was he fined/banned? It seems as if it would have been beneficial to all playing to have the sport start getting involved in a worldly level, no? |
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Post by johnbar on Jan 9, 2020 11:05:33 GMT -5
At the 1992 Olympics in Barcelona, beach volleyball was a "demonstration sport", on it's way to becoming an official "medal sport" in 1996.
I don't know why Sinjin Smith was fined (or much else about this), but I know he was a big promoter of the FIVB and getting BVB in the Olympics. The AVP, as far as I can tell, wanted to control BVB, and did not want the rival organization (FIVB) to gain prominence.
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Post by guest2 on Jan 9, 2020 11:29:19 GMT -5
At the 1992 Olympics in Barcelona, beach volleyball was a "demonstration sport", on it's way to becoming an official "medal sport" in 1996. I don't know why Sinjin Smith was fined (or much else about this), but I know he was a big promoter of the FIVB and getting BVB in the Olympics. The AVP, as far as I can tell, wanted to control BVB, and did not want the rival organization (FIVB) to gain prominence. They were fined - he and Randy - because they played in an exhibition in Spain (I think thats where it was) for FIVB honchos, the same week that the AVP had an event and they didnt get permission to go. If I remember correctly the exhibition was not at the Olympics At the time I dont think there was much thought of the FIVB gaining prominence I think this was more about having exclusivity. Seemed like a fair thing to punish them for, but the amount was excessive since that was close to half their prize money |
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Post by volleyballjim on Jan 9, 2020 13:21:28 GMT -5
At the 1992 Olympics in Barcelona, beach volleyball was a "demonstration sport", on it's way to becoming an official "medal sport" in 1996. I don't know why Sinjin Smith was fined (or much else about this), but I know he was a big promoter of the FIVB and getting BVB in the Olympics. The AVP, as far as I can tell, wanted to control BVB, and did not want the rival organization (FIVB) to gain prominence. They were fined - he and Randy - because they played in an exhibition in Spain (I think thats where it was) for FIVB honchos, the same week that the AVP had an event and they didnt get permission to go. If I remember correctly the exhibition was not at the Olympics At the time I dont think there was much thought of the FIVB gaining prominence I think this was more about having exclusivity. Seemed like a fair thing to punish them for, but the amount was excessive since that was close to half their prize money Thanks! Yeah, thanks for the history. Would be interested more on "getting permission" from the AVP; I guess it just got voted on and didn't pass. He took the risk then. The suspension also was arguably worse, so they, the players (or rather AVP) sent a strong message. Not sure that was good/bad relative to "those days", whereas today, things are changing again (people hearalding the AVP and FIVB "not so much" ;-) |
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Post by johnbar on Jan 9, 2020 14:02:30 GMT -5
At the 1992 Olympics in Barcelona, beach volleyball was a "demonstration sport", on it's way to becoming an official "medal sport" in 1996. I don't know why Sinjin Smith was fined (or much else about this), but I know he was a big promoter of the FIVB and getting BVB in the Olympics. The AVP, as far as I can tell, wanted to control BVB, and did not want the rival organization (FIVB) to gain prominence. They were fined - he and Randy - because they played in an exhibition in Spain (I think thats where it was) for FIVB honchos, the same week that the AVP had an event and they didnt get permission to go. If I remember correctly the exhibition was not at the Olympics At the time I dont think there was much thought of the FIVB gaining prominence I think this was more about having exclusivity. Seemed like a fair thing to punish them for, but the amount was excessive since that was close to half their prize money Thanks, I had gotten the two things confused. So they broke the rules and got punished (maybe excessively).
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Post by guest2 on Jan 10, 2020 11:35:28 GMT -5
They were fined - he and Randy - because they played in an exhibition in Spain (I think thats where it was) for FIVB honchos, the same week that the AVP had an event and they didnt get permission to go. If I remember correctly the exhibition was not at the Olympics At the time I dont think there was much thought of the FIVB gaining prominence I think this was more about having exclusivity. Seemed like a fair thing to punish them for, but the amount was excessive since that was close to half their prize money Thanks, I had gotten the two things confused. So they broke the rules and got punished (maybe excessively). I looked it up, it happened just after the 1992 Olympics. I love Sinjin and this podcast was awesome, especially right after Dodd's. Next up for me is the Adam Johnson interview one of the guys on the Old School Facebook group did |
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Post by wang pu on Jan 11, 2020 13:00:18 GMT -5
Thanks, I had gotten the two things confused. So they broke the rules and got punished (maybe excessively). I looked it up, it happened just after the 1992 Olympics. I love Sinjin and this podcast was awesome, especially right after Dodd's. Next up for me is the Adam Johnson interview one of the guys on the Old School Facebook group did I agree, this episode was awesome. Sinjin provided some insights on the business side of things. Would love to hear Donald Sun on Sandcast. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 13:47:32 GMT -5
can’t believe after this long there’s no episode with an avp staff member(that I know of)
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Post by trollhunter on Jan 11, 2020 15:07:42 GMT -5
There are a couple old articles in LA Times archives that give more details. I'm on the road or I'd share the links.
The fine was for missing Seal Beach event to play in a different event, much like current AVP contracts. They also were supposedly suspended for Jose Quervo event, but I haven't researched that.
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Post by trollhunter on Jan 12, 2020 18:52:57 GMT -5
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Post by volleyballjim on Jan 12, 2020 22:40:12 GMT -5
Thanks! Will get on this data soon! |
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Post by wilbur on Jan 15, 2020 21:42:30 GMT -5
listening to those sandcasts and stories of the 1980 indoor team reminded me of the Movie "Spiker". The sandcasts were much more entertaining but there were vague similarities at points.
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