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Post by redbeard2008 on Jan 18, 2020 12:19:46 GMT -5
Are they ready to compete for Final Four berths and be in the hunt each year, or content with middle of the road conference finishes and tournament appearances with perineal early exits. USC is at a crossroads. Will they become a former powerhouse like LBSU? The TV deal has killed off what attendance they did have. Thursday night and Sunday afternoon games are terrible. Well we will always have Stanford to carry the Pac-12 banner. When did USC have "attendance"? 1,000 is a BIG crowd. With most matches on TV now (back in the old FSN days, you'd be lucky to have a couple live matches on TV a year for the whole league), you have to be creative to draw crowds in, starting with the students. It would be nice to have a featured Match of the Week on P12Net to help build up some excitement. Still, USC is still sitting on a volleyball hotbed and is a prestigious school, so it has built-in recruiting advantages. Right now, with the concussion protocols being what they are now, it is a crap shoot whether you'll have a full squad on any week.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2020 13:11:21 GMT -5
USC is at a crossroads. Will they become a former powerhouse like LBSU? The TV deal has killed off what attendance they did have. Thursday night and Sunday afternoon games are terrible. Well we will always have Stanford to carry the Pac-12 banner. I think USC (and UCLA) are fundamentally different than Long Beach State or Pacific. USC and UCLA play in the Pac-12, which should prevent them from going into a permanent decline. Unless, of course, the Pac-12 in volleyball goes into a tailspin like it has in football and men's basketball. Seems unlikely. If they can go into a tailspin in the Big income sports of football and basketball seems MORE likely they would do the same in volleyball than not.
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Post by knapplc on Jan 18, 2020 13:33:00 GMT -5
I think USC (and UCLA) are fundamentally different than Long Beach State or Pacific. USC and UCLA play in the Pac-12, which should prevent them from going into a permanent decline. Unless, of course, the Pac-12 in volleyball goes into a tailspin like it has in football and men's basketball. Seems unlikely. If they can go into a tailspin in the Big income sports of football and basketball seems MORE likely they would do the same in volleyball than not. It's easier to recover a basketball or volleyball program, though. In football you need usually two recruiting classes to rebuild, then another just to develop body mass. Basketball and volleyball, with only a handful of people on the court at a time and less mass to pack on a frame, can usually turn around in a couple of seasons.
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Post by bbg95 on Jan 18, 2020 13:34:01 GMT -5
I think USC (and UCLA) are fundamentally different than Long Beach State or Pacific. USC and UCLA play in the Pac-12, which should prevent them from going into a permanent decline. Unless, of course, the Pac-12 in volleyball goes into a tailspin like it has in football and men's basketball. Seems unlikely. If they can go into a tailspin in the Big income sports of football and basketball seems MORE likely they would do the same in volleyball than not. It's possible. But that assumes that the Pac-12 doesn't find a way to fix their problem with the revenue sports, and I think they will eventually. I think Pac-12 volleyball has some other advantages (geography, less competition from other conferences than in the revenue sports) that should insulate it somewhat.
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Post by jcvball22 on Jan 18, 2020 13:50:04 GMT -5
I think USC (and UCLA) are fundamentally different than Long Beach State or Pacific. USC and UCLA play in the Pac-12, which should prevent them from going into a permanent decline. Unless, of course, the Pac-12 in volleyball goes into a tailspin like it has in football and men's basketball. Seems unlikely. If they can go into a tailspin in the Big income sports of football and basketball seems MORE likely they would do the same in volleyball than not. There are a very dedicated group of alums with the funds to make sure they can stay competitive. Everyone knows that righting the ship will be harder in football than anything else. But now that the dust is settling on the scandals and a new administration is in place, the donors are stepping up to get things back on track.
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Post by eldorado on Jan 18, 2020 15:10:12 GMT -5
USC averages 1000 attendees per game, why would any responsible AD pay hundreds of thousands per year extra for a coach? 7 games last season had about 500+ One home match had about 200+. Stanford and UCLA brought in 2500-3000+ thus inflating the season avg. USC should move all its home match's back to the Lyon center. Exactly, even the “rich donors” don’t show up. Maybe reserve some time in the North Gym
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Post by gibbyb1 on Jan 18, 2020 17:30:49 GMT -5
I think there’S A coach who would find the USC vacancy too B1G of an opportunity to not at least take a shot at it. I agree that this is a perplexing hire for USC. If nothing at all, we will have a clear understanding of Volleyball’s importance at USC with this hire. Are they ready to compete for Final Four berths and be in the hunt each year, or content with middle of the road conference finishes and tournament appearances with perineal early exits. So seems like you're talking about Steve Aird? Would USC be interested? His resume as an assistant at Penn State is impressive, particularly in recruiting. His head coaching record is nothing to write home about, but to be fair, Maryland and Indiana aren't the best coaching jobs in the world to say the least. And reading through some older threads, it seems like he was doing a good job recruiting to Maryland. Recruiting to USC is a lot easier. So maybe. People always assume it’s “easier” to recruit to better programs. How many players out there are good enough to help Maryland get better, and how many out there can help USC get better?
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Post by bbg95 on Jan 18, 2020 19:35:02 GMT -5
So seems like you're talking about Steve Aird? Would USC be interested? His resume as an assistant at Penn State is impressive, particularly in recruiting. His head coaching record is nothing to write home about, but to be fair, Maryland and Indiana aren't the best coaching jobs in the world to say the least. And reading through some older threads, it seems like he was doing a good job recruiting to Maryland. Recruiting to USC is a lot easier. So maybe. People always assume it’s “easier” to recruit to better programs. How many players out there are good enough to help Maryland get better, and how many out there can help USC get better? Okay, you raise a pretty good point in your last sentence. Depending on the goals of the program and the coach, it may be easier to turn a bottom-dweller into a respectable program than to take a good program and make it great. A school like Maryland and a school like USC aren't necessarily recruiting the same kinds of players, at least not on average. That said, if the goals are to win major conference championships, make deep runs into the tournament, and compete for and hopefully win a national championship, then I think it is objectively easier to recruit the players you need for that at USC than Maryland.
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Post by fivefivefive on Jan 19, 2020 2:54:18 GMT -5
Fuerbringer
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Post by jcvball22 on Jan 19, 2020 2:59:09 GMT -5
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Post by jengal on Jan 19, 2020 3:36:28 GMT -5
Karch? There would be an interim until after the Olympics. Not sure he is ready to give up the National Team or not...
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Post by gobruins on Jan 19, 2020 7:16:02 GMT -5
USC averages 1000 attendees per game, why would any responsible AD pay hundreds of thousands per year extra for a coach? 7 games last season had about 500+ One home match had about 200+. Stanford and UCLA brought in 2500-3000+ thus inflating the season avg. USC should move all its home match's back to the Lyon center. Is the Lyon Center still a viable facility? When they have a scheduling conflict at Galen Center, the USC Men's Volleyball team is playing at the North Gym.
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Post by shotcaller on Jan 19, 2020 17:57:29 GMT -5
My 2 cents
JJ Van Niel would be a disaster.
The PAC-12 is one of the least desirable P-5 conferences around right now. The pay is low, the demands and expectations are high. Travel in and around the major West Coast cities sucks. The SEC/ACC/B1G all charters. When you look at coaches going east, it's not just about $$ or prestige. It's what you can do with that money. If you're never at home to enjoy it with your family, is the money worth the sacrifice? Chartering is a huge deal for coaches at the top level, and the sooner the PAC can sort out their revenue streams and start chartering like all the other big conferences, they will again return to be competitive in pulling the best coaches.
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Post by dunninla3 on Jan 19, 2020 19:08:40 GMT -5
7 games last season had about 500+ One home match had about 200+. Stanford and UCLA brought in 2500-3000+ thus inflating the season avg. USC should move all its home match's back to the Lyon center. Is the Lyon Center still a viable facility? When they have a scheduling conflict at Galen Center, the USC Men's Volleyball team is playing at the North Gym. This is a good point. Around 30 years ago a sociology professor suggested I read the book Public Spaces, Private Places,Albert Mehrabian. This was back when books were a common means of disseminating information. Anyway... one of my takeaways from that book is that when people congregate for work, pleasure, sport, whatever, empty space that appears to be designed to be occupied, but isn't, conveys a sense of incompleteness. A sense that an event failed to reach its objective. In the instant case, empty seats in a sporting venue implies that the event, or team, has not met expectations and is a failure. I prefer when UCLA plays in the Wooden Center. I really dislike being surrounded by 10,000 empty seats.
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Post by fivefivefive on Jan 19, 2020 19:45:00 GMT -5
Matt Strong SoCal relationships and ability to recruit Strong USAV relationships Strong international/pro vball relationships
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