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Post by aaronic on Jan 20, 2020 20:59:25 GMT -5
Sheward should set, reasons r obvious...he can set the middles, he plays good D, sets r quicker 2 the pins and he wins duh. As 4 Humler, I don’t see him getting set all that much, he was pulled very early vs Loyola. I dunno why, any guesses? I’d like 2 see Shewie set this guy. Chaz is a beast up front and he can destroy the pipe. He got the 3 H’s: hammer, hops and hang time. He was targeted on serve and got aced but truthfully, so did Cowell & Gage. It’s reading stuff like this, that I’m reminded of grade school, high school etc. where you had those few in your class who just had no idea of what grammar was and how to use it.
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Post by Victory At Hand on Jan 20, 2020 21:21:10 GMT -5
Sheward should set, reasons r obvious...he can set the middles, he plays good D, sets r quicker 2 the pins and he wins duh. As 4 Humler, I don’t see him getting set all that much, he was pulled very early vs Loyola. I dunno why, any guesses? I’d like 2 see Shewie set this guy. Chaz is a beast up front and he can destroy the pipe. He got the 3 H’s: hammer, hops and hang time. He was targeted on serve and got aced but truthfully, so did Cowell & Gage. It’s reading stuff like this, that I’m reminded of grade school, high school etc. where you had those few in your class who just had no idea of what grammar was and how to use it. Really? Who cares. This VT. Is it the grammar or are you just upset that there is another person who prefers Sheward over Thelle?
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Post by babybacksets on Jan 21, 2020 0:54:25 GMT -5
If Thelle can’t connect with his middles then he needs to be on the bench. There is no amount of height, block physicality, or lefty offensive capabilities that excuse not keeping Pat Gasman as a significant part of your offense. Simple. The passing was bad at times but at this level anything passed in front of the 10ft line you should be able to find your middle somehow Let’s also keep in mind that it’s still so early on in the season, and so having that instant connection with a Setter/hitter, especially with both playing full time with each other is not going to be like snapping your fingers, and presto! Things just don’t work out that way. And anything passed in front of the 10 ft. line should be able to find your middle, that is true if it’s passed on target to the setter. The majority of the time the passes weren’t passed that well. But let’s not also forget that in sets 2 and 4, Hawaii could have easily lost both. There were many different factors that cannot be ignored and just because of selfish preferences call for the benching of certain players doesn’t make any sense. It was only the third week of the season, it’s a new team and so we can’t expect instant success, or what many other hope... domination. The one good thing to take away from all of this is that Hawaii played through adversity, and handled it well. I get that you feel this way but the thing is that Thelle has been the primary setter the good majority of the exhibitions and I thought the connection in the middle wasn’t great then either. If he has to be the “the one” then he’s at least gotta sit some and watch someone else run the tempo that keeps his hitters successful that he’s not setting and then set it. If he adjusts, then by default he wins the physicality contest with Sheward. There is no Joe Montana Worsley on the floor. It should be may the best setter win.
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Post by aaronic on Jan 21, 2020 3:07:23 GMT -5
It’s reading stuff like this, that I’m reminded of grade school, high school etc. where you had those few in your class who just had no idea of what grammar was and how to use it. Really? Who cares. This VT. Is it the grammar or are you just upset that there is another person who prefers Sheward over Thelle? The former. It’s kind of hard to really assess a comment that is just all over the place and just sounds really... well.... you get the picture. Actually I’m all for who comes and settles down and does the best in leading the team to an efficient and productive offense. Whether that be Thelle or Sheward or Van Eekeran. You’re the one who seems to have the problem with what i’m saying with this particular comment and I’m assuming my other reply in response to me “not making any sense”. If Sheward is a better pick to leading the Hawaii offense from here on out, then I’d prefer to see him set. Same with Van Eekeran/Thelle, if they are able to be the most consistent and effective for the team as the starting setter. Period. My issue was that it’s just not fair when one reserve (Sheward) comes into help in relief for the starter (Thelle) and then because after this in-game change the team rallies to win, it automatically means he should be the one to start from here on out. I’ve already argued my reasoning for this in previous posts.
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Post by network155 on Jan 21, 2020 3:22:50 GMT -5
Really? Who cares. This VT. Is it the grammar or are you just upset that there is another person who prefers Sheward over Thelle? The former. It’s kind of hard to really assess a comment that is just all over the place and just sounds really... well.... you get the picture. Actually I’m all for who comes and settles down and does the best in leading the team to an efficient and productive offense. Whether that be Thelle or Sheward or Van Eekeran. You’re the one who seems to have the problem with what i’m saying with this particular comment and I’m assuming my other reply in response to me “not making any sense”. If Sheward is a better pick to leading the Hawaii offense from here on out, then I’d prefer to see him set. Same with Van Eekeran/Thelle, if they are able to be the most consistent and effective for the team as the starting setter. Period. My issue was that it’s just not fair when one reserve (Sheward) comes into help in relief for the starter (Thelle) and then because after this in-game change the team rallies to win, it automatically means he should be the one to start from here on out. I’ve already argued my reasoning for this in previous posts. To be fair, Sheward did an excellent job setting the first two sets against Lincoln Memorial 25-15, 25-15, Thelle came in on the third set and it was a mess, it was a close set with Hawaii barely winning it 25-23. So I don't think there is a question about who will be Hawaii's starting setter from now on. This is good, both setters will be pushing each other in practice. And I hope with that Thelle will learn to diversify the offense and not just moon balling it to the outside pins.
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Post by aaronic on Jan 21, 2020 3:36:02 GMT -5
The former. It’s kind of hard to really assess a comment that is just all over the place and just sounds really... well.... you get the picture. Actually I’m all for who comes and settles down and does the best in leading the team to an efficient and productive offense. Whether that be Thelle or Sheward or Van Eekeran. You’re the one who seems to have the problem with what i’m saying with this particular comment and I’m assuming my other reply in response to me “not making any sense”. If Sheward is a better pick to leading the Hawaii offense from here on out, then I’d prefer to see him set. Same with Van Eekeran/Thelle, if they are able to be the most consistent and effective for the team as the starting setter. Period. My issue was that it’s just not fair when one reserve (Sheward) comes into help in relief for the starter (Thelle) and then because after this in-game change the team rallies to win, it automatically means he should be the one to start from here on out. I’ve already argued my reasoning for this in previous posts. To be fair, Sheward did an excellent job setting the first two sets against Lincoln Memorial 25-15, 25-15, Thelle came in on the third set and it was a mess, it was a close set with Hawaii barely winning it 25-23. So I don't think there is a question about who will be Hawaii's starting setter from now on. This is good, both setters will be pushing each other in practice. And I hope with that Thelle will learn to diversify the offense and not just moon balling it to the outside pins. I haven’t watched the match yet. I’m curious to see how things play out. Though based on the in-match comments the passing was poor in the third set. BTW, I am assuming you actually watched the match.
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Post by aaronic on Jan 21, 2020 4:42:03 GMT -5
Let’s also keep in mind that it’s still so early on in the season, and so having that instant connection with a Setter/hitter, especially with both playing full time with each other is not going to be like snapping your fingers, and presto! Things just don’t work out that way. And anything passed in front of the 10 ft. line should be able to find your middle, that is true if it’s passed on target to the setter. The majority of the time the passes weren’t passed that well. But let’s not also forget that in sets 2 and 4, Hawaii could have easily lost both. There were many different factors that cannot be ignored and just because of selfish preferences call for the benching of certain players doesn’t make any sense. It was only the third week of the season, it’s a new team and so we can’t expect instant success, or what many other hope... domination. The one good thing to take away from all of this is that Hawaii played through adversity, and handled it well. I get that you feel this way but the thing is that Thelle has been the primary setter the good majority of the exhibitions and I thought the connection in the middle wasn’t great then either. If he has to be the “the one” then he’s at least gotta sit some and watch someone else run the tempo that keeps his hitters successful that he’s not setting and then set it. If he adjusts, then by default he wins the physicality contest with Sheward. There is no Joe Montana Worsley on the floor. It should be may the best setter win. That’s kind of not the point... but oh well. TBH I could really care less who was the setter, whether it be Thelle or Sheward or even if one of the DSs became the new setter for that matter. My point is, don’t think anything was so horrible to begin with in terms of Thelle, and he according to Wade and staff was the projected starter from the start of the season. Then he all of a sudden now has a couple of bad matches, and everyone wants to write him off. The team’s overall play of the match was not good as well to begin with, as I’ve already stated. Then Sheward came in (and again I could care less if it was Sheward or anyone else that came in) and relieved Thelle and albeit to a victory and then everyone is declaring that Sheward be the starter. This is based on the fact that he was the reliever that ended up winning both matches that Hawaii got lucky with to winning to begin with. If you recall both matches could have easily been losses for Hawaii I think teams are always going to have their up and downs in the preseason, including with their setters and that’s part of the game. It’s part of building team chemistry. Just like I am assuming Sheward will too, if he somehow becomes the new setter. I can see how you may have felt that Thelle’s sets are too slow and high and all, and well they are. But, there was a reason that the coaches and staff picked him to start over the other setters. Anyway, moreover, to begin the season.... and this was something that annoys me as hell. Nearly every single Wahine fan and some men’s volleyball fans were so high and adamant about Thelle being the starter based on.... what? The answer is beyond me since he barely set last year. Before the season started, I for one did NOT think Thelle would be the starter since well.... uh... I have never seen him set. Fast forward to the season starting. Dreams do come true for many of the bandwagoners and he is the Setter. Now all of a sudden, this weekend he struggles and everyone especially all the former Thelle bandwagoners are ready to ditch him for someone else based on what? Well, I’m glad this time there was a reason for why many of the Wahine faithful want Sheward to start- based on the connections with he and the middles and his quicker sets and similarities to Worsley. But as I’ve been saying with both Lewis and Loyola, during the sets where Sheward came in, it wasn’t as if his setting just smashed the opponent... the scores were still close and tight (except for Set 3 vs. Loyola) and could have easily been losses. Apologies for making this longer than it should have but in a nutshell, I hope people understand that things should not happen based on (fans) selfish reasons, especially in sports. There is a reason why coaches leave players in who are struggling or start players who struggle. As fans we need to know that just because we selfishly want to see something, doesn’t mean it’s necessarily the right thing.
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Post by thor on Jan 21, 2020 5:21:37 GMT -5
It’s reading stuff like this, that I’m reminded of grade school, high school etc. where you had those few in your class who just had no idea of what grammar was and how to use it. Really? Who cares. This VT. Is it the grammar or are you just upset that there is another person who prefers Sheward over Thelle? Yup erronic is not only a narcissist, but he’s suddenly a grammar professor 2. This Bozo goes off on long tirades every time folks don’t agree with his point of view. I’m guessing he’s single and still lives with his mother. I’ve blocked this loser but I still gotta see his sucky posts when folks rebut his ludicrous comments.
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Post by aaronic on Jan 21, 2020 6:40:57 GMT -5
Really? Who cares. This VT. Is it the grammar or are you just upset that there is another person who prefers Sheward over Thelle? Yup erronic is not only a narcissist, but he’s suddenly a grammar professor 2. This Bozo goes off on long tirades every time folks don’t agree with his point of view. I’m guessing he’s single and still lives with his mother. I’ve blocked this loser but I still gotta see his sucky posts when folks rebut his ludicrous comments. The only thing that I got out of this are three things: 1.) you just proved that you probably are someone who indeed still has the English proficiency equivalent to that of a high school/junior high school student. 2.) there’s nothing that you can do to disprove this notion based on the fact that you’re now trying to throw ridicule at me that has nothing to do with anything on the topic at hand. 3.) maybe I should just pity on you instead, due to your shortcomings as an adult. 4.) kind of curious to the next pea brained insult you’re going to throw at me next. OK, so I lied. There were really four things.
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Post by babybacksets on Jan 21, 2020 22:39:59 GMT -5
I get that you feel this way but the thing is that Thelle has been the primary setter the good majority of the exhibitions and I thought the connection in the middle wasn’t great then either. If he has to be the “the one” then he’s at least gotta sit some and watch someone else run the tempo that keeps his hitters successful that he’s not setting and then set it. If he adjusts, then by default he wins the physicality contest with Sheward. There is no Joe Montana Worsley on the floor. It should be may the best setter win. That’s kind of not the point... but oh well. TBH I could really care less who was the setter, whether it be Thelle or Sheward or even if one of the DSs became the new setter for that matter. My point is, don’t think anything was so horrible to begin with in terms of Thelle, and he according to Wade and staff was the projected starter from the start of the season. Then he all of a sudden now has a couple of bad matches, and everyone wants to write him off. The team’s overall play of the match was not good as well to begin with, as I’ve already stated. Then Sheward came in (and again I could care less if it was Sheward or anyone else that came in) and relieved Thelle and albeit to a victory and then everyone is declaring that Sheward be the starter. This is based on the fact that he was the reliever that ended up winning both matches that Hawaii got lucky with to winning to begin with. If you recall both matches could have easily been losses for Hawaii I think teams are always going to have their up and downs in the preseason, including with their setters and that’s part of the game. It’s part of building team chemistry. Just like I am assuming Sheward will too, if he somehow becomes the new setter. I can see how you may have felt that Thelle’s sets are too slow and high and all, and well they are. But, there was a reason that the coaches and staff picked him to start over the other setters. Anyway, moreover, to begin the season.... and this was something that annoys me as hell. Nearly every single Wahine fan and some men’s volleyball fans were so high and adamant about Thelle being the starter based on.... what? The answer is beyond me since he barely set last year. Before the season started, I for one did NOT think Thelle would be the starter since well.... uh... I have never seen him set. Fast forward to the season starting. Dreams do come true for many of the bandwagoners and he is the Setter. Now all of a sudden, this weekend he struggles and everyone especially all the former Thelle bandwagoners are ready to ditch him for someone else based on what? Well, I’m glad this time there was a reason for why many of the Wahine faithful want Sheward to start- based on the connections with he and the middles and his quicker sets and similarities to Worsley. But as I’ve been saying with both Lewis and Loyola, during the sets where Sheward came in, it wasn’t as if his setting just smashed the opponent... the scores were still close and tight (except for Set 3 vs. Loyola) and could have easily been losses. Apologies for making this longer than it should have but in a nutshell, I hope people understand that things should not happen based on (fans) selfish reasons, especially in sports. There is a reason why coaches leave players in who are struggling or start players who struggle. As fans we need to know that just because we selfishly want to see something, doesn’t mean it’s necessarily the right thing. Not sure which fans you mean but I have definitely never been on the Thelle bandwagon. Wasn’t too impressed when I saw UH play in California but thought eh its too early to be judgmental. But if we’re still not setting Gasman and the pin tempo is slow, then that’s on Thelle to correct. He set most all of what I saw in California so I figured it was a done deal. If it’s not, then I think every setter on the court should have equal claim to run the offense. I was confused about something I heard during a home match saying that Wade thought they had hitters that touch so high that they can just put the ball up there and they can take care of it. But I think the team likes a good pace more than they like to just go over the block, and I swear I remember hearing in a game last season that Wade was recruiting for a faster offense and was trying to get the program in that direction. Either way, I want to see this team succeed and want to see the players who are going to help them succeed start to come into their own
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Post by network155 on Jan 22, 2020 0:04:33 GMT -5
To be fair, Sheward did an excellent job setting the first two sets against Lincoln Memorial 25-15, 25-15, Thelle came in on the third set and it was a mess, it was a close set with Hawaii barely winning it 25-23. So I don't think there is a question about who will be Hawaii's starting setter from now on. This is good, both setters will be pushing each other in practice. And I hope with that Thelle will learn to diversify the offense and not just moon balling it to the outside pins. I haven’t watched the match yet. I’m curious to see how things play out. Though based on the in-match comments the passing was poor in the third set. BTW, I am assuming you actually watched the match. Yes, I watched the match.
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