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Post by moderndaycoach on Sept 20, 2023 11:02:05 GMT -5
Exactly, Sponcil is in the age group of long time club players that likely have played volleyball or multiple sports year round since they were little. These kids who are all now approaching 30 are getting burned out, if it is playing, if it is coaching, even those that went into high pressure jobs that are working them the only way the know how and have been taught from high level sports for most of their life. Go back and look at the 30 under 30 list for the last 10 years and count how many aren't coaching anymore. I think this is the best decision she could make for herself, sometimes the hardest decision is the right now. I actually think this is a big problem that is only gonna grow more endemic. The youth sports culture is downright stupid anymore, regardless of sport. Between the rise of year round aau leagues trying to rake in the cash and every parent thinking they have to get their kid to specialize early and treat their children like future olympians it has gotten just unreal. In addition to future burnout I think it has led to a ton of issues that will only compound. First, the amount of overuse and repetitive stress injuries from early specialization and overtraining in sport has exploded. I know dozens that have had to have major surgeries and have chronic injuries that will be with them for life. A lot of times inexperienced coaches will copy workouts or intensities used by pros despite the injury risk to kids who are still growing. Or use crazy conditioning as a substitute to actually teaching good technique. Second, from a mental health standpoint it can be crushing as you have little else to fall back on. Third it creates a culture with parents that breeds crazy unreal expectations, just because you paid for your kid to be on a travel team doesn’t make them taller or more talented. Sorry for the rant but I do think this is only gonna get worse. And this is all without diving into all the other potential for abuse in youth sports. I think even beyond that as I mentioned those going into the workforce. You get a great job and you want to show off you just dive back in to the only mentality you know to be your best. It has been engrained in these kids to go above and beyond as that was the way the boomers made it work, except that isn't reality anymore and the economy around them does not match the hours worked compared to the compensation returned. All these work and market experts like to brag and write articles on LinkedIn about how amazing it is that you should hire a former collegiate athlete because they have a work ethic. Except most of these companies take that natural ability or gift these kids have developed of knowing how to work, and just expose them and grind their mind into a pulp. 9-5 no longer exists if you want more for your life than the basics.
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Post by dunninla3 on Sept 20, 2023 11:10:24 GMT -5
As far as teaching salaries is concerned, it varies greatly depending on whether the job is in Tupelo, MS, or in Los Angeles, CA, which I assume is where G2 was suggesting she would be teaching if she did so.
Teachers in LA do make about $60k right out the gate. An 8/18/23 LA Times article quotes the new contract as offering $69k new teacher to $122k at the top of the scale.
Bottom of scale still makes renting tough, and top of scale is far below the amount needed to qualify for a home mortgage in anything resembling a safe neighborhood.
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Post by lantern on Sept 20, 2023 11:14:32 GMT -5
I blame the AVP and FIVB scheduling for this. We need a tournament to talk about pronto. 3 weeks without a tournament and this site is devolving into nonsense. 21 Pages on 2 threads about Sarah Sponcil? Give the girl a break.
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Post by dunninla3 on Sept 20, 2023 11:18:23 GMT -5
I blame the AVP and FIVB scheduling for this. We need a tournament to talk about pronto. 3 weeks without a tournament and this site is devolving into nonsense. 21 Pages on 2 threads about Sarah Sponcil? Give the girl a break. she's THAT good
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Post by houdini on Sept 20, 2023 12:46:00 GMT -5
I blame the AVP and FIVB scheduling for this. We need a tournament to talk about pronto. 3 weeks without a tournament and this site is devolving into nonsense. 21 Pages on 2 threads about Sarah Sponcil? Give the girl a break. ha, ha. Paris FIVB coming up next week. Finally.
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Post by guest2 on Sept 20, 2023 13:17:27 GMT -5
This is you in a nutshell. Someone makes a point that counters something you said. Now that point happens to be based on easily available information since most teachers in the US are public employees and their salaries are known. Do you: a) spend 30 seconds on a google search that will tell you that I am right and you are wrong? b) dispute the point Anyone who has read any of your posts knows exactly what you will do. Its like you are allergic to learning or trying to. $60k is more than the average teacher salary in Grand Rapids. Also, the PVF season is only five months. LA teachers just won a pretty significant pay increase, but PVF + AVP + FIVB + sponsorships + USAV stipend pays more. If you also include giving lessons at ~$100/hr she can make good money. Why would she go to Grand Rapids to become a teacher? Why wouldnt she go to one of the highest paying districts where average salaries are over 80k+
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Post by guest2 on Sept 20, 2023 13:20:49 GMT -5
Why? Pavan was a better beach player than Sponcil and so much better at indoor there isn't even a comparison. And unlike Sarah, who quit when she couldn't get a good partner, Sarah stuck it out with Bansley, who was lousy, played with Mel as she redefined inconsistency, then tried Sophie and is now playing with a partner way below her level despite being 37. Sarah is a example of the dedication to the sport that Sponcil just doesn't have. Pavan would be the best available partner if she follows through on playing only AVP for the next few years Calling Bansley lousy is a bit much and Pavan's situation was a bit different from Sponcil's. Pavan has always been a top two Canadian team and thus never had to battle against quota system restrictions. Sponcil taking a step back to re-evaluate and adjust her short term career track shouldn't be labeled quitting with such derision when it may in fact be the most prudent thing for her to do. You mean like what the Taylors have done? How has that been treated? Other than Crabb being a despicable human, whats the difference between the two? Bansley was an extremely weak player compared to both of her partners. Both Pavs and Brandie were screwed by the country system. Neither would have gone near a player at Heather's level if they were all American.
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Post by poorlambourne on Sept 20, 2023 13:24:15 GMT -5
$60k is more than the average teacher salary in Grand Rapids. Also, the PVF season is only five months. LA teachers just won a pretty significant pay increase, but PVF + AVP + FIVB + sponsorships + USAV stipend pays more. If you also include giving lessons at ~$100/hr she can make good money. Why would she go to Grand Rapids to become a teacher? Why wouldnt she go to one of the highest paying districts where average salaries are over 80k+ Funny how you ignored the second half of my comment 🧐
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Post by guest2 on Sept 20, 2023 13:37:13 GMT -5
Why would she go to Grand Rapids to become a teacher? Why wouldnt she go to one of the highest paying districts where average salaries are over 80k+ Funny how you ignored the second half of my comment 🧐 TBF you ignored that she has stated she is not playing FIVB, that she could teach and play AVP the same way she can play PVF and AVP, and the only thing left to make up the gap between the salaries is sponsorships. I didn't necessarily think the second part was as big an issue I just thought you using Grand Rapids as your comparison was incorrect.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Sept 20, 2023 14:22:15 GMT -5
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Post by yupyupyup on Sept 20, 2023 15:15:19 GMT -5
Oh my god get off the teacher salary thing. It was used as an example that Sponcil would make more with a more entry level job than the indoor league. It’s funny how arguments can go on so many tangents and then arguing on points that have no relation to the original argument.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Sept 20, 2023 15:52:43 GMT -5
Oh my god get off the teacher salary thing. It was used as an example that Sponcil would make more with a more entry level job than the indoor league. It’s funny how arguments can go on so many tangents and then arguing on points that have no relation to the original argument. Except it was a bad example where she wouldn't, they then tried to insult me over my response while being a hypocrite. Just asking the same of what guest accused me of, a 30 second google check that would prove I am right and they are wrong. Six out of fifty states have their 90th percentile above 80k, six, with only one state having over 60k as the average. It is almost like they are allergic to learning anything new.
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Post by yupyupyup on Sept 20, 2023 17:02:42 GMT -5
Oh my god get off the teacher salary thing. It was used as an example that Sponcil would make more with a more entry level job than the indoor league. It’s funny how arguments can go on so many tangents and then arguing on points that have no relation to the original argument. Except it was a bad example where she wouldn't, they then tried to insult me over my response while being a hypocrite. Just asking the same of what guest accused me of, a 30 second google check that would prove I am right and they are wrong. Six out of fifty states have their 90th percentile above 80k, six, with only one state having over 60k as the average. It is almost like they are allergic to learning anything new. Are you capable or incapable to look at the intent of the example that was made or do you prefer to proliferate on tangents and the weeds of a discussion/argument?
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Post by moderndaycoach on Sept 20, 2023 17:12:36 GMT -5
Except it was a bad example where she wouldn't, they then tried to insult me over my response while being a hypocrite. Just asking the same of what guest accused me of, a 30 second google check that would prove I am right and they are wrong. Six out of fifty states have their 90th percentile above 80k, six, with only one state having over 60k as the average. It is almost like they are allergic to learning anything new. Are you capable or incapable to look at the intent of the example that was made or do you prefer to proliferate on tangents and the weeds of a discussion/argument? Perfectly capable of knowing what they were attempting to do, but when you want to toss around insults while actively being a hypocrite I have no problem bringing them down off their pedestal. Like I said, if you wanted to make that claim about being a Jimmy John's manager or even something like going to work in logistics, I would have went with it. But the fact they choose teacher, responded like a jerk while actively being a hypocrite and to continue holding the claim about picking somewhere over 80k as an average when I provided proof otherwise like they asked, I think it is totally fair to wonder why they didn't do the same thing they told me I should. Realistically there are very few entry level jobs that are going to net her more than PVF/AVP/Private Lessons/Sponsorships would so it was relevant to be corrected. Rules for thee, not for me....
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Post by guest2 on Sept 21, 2023 0:28:05 GMT -5
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