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Post by bruinsgold on Apr 30, 2024 11:38:55 GMT -5
USA fans don't like KRob. We prefer Cook as our OH2.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 30, 2024 11:39:04 GMT -5
Formico and McClure really ate ugh I miss them, I always thought Luper was a better passer at UCLA cause this season at Louisville was a lil rough lmfao McClure was a serving sub a few times for Vegas before she was waived. She sort of looked like she hadn’t touched a ball since college. It's crazy how many women's ex-college players really just quit volleyball cold turkey. You'd need to hold a gun to their head to get them to pick up a ball. Meanwhile, the men's players seem to always be looking for more chances to play.
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Post by jordan on Apr 30, 2024 11:40:25 GMT -5
I’m not sure USA can play Larson Kelsey. They don’t set the middles enough and their opposite isn’t terminal I don’t think you need them both on the floor, but you need Larson in the mix to keep Kelsey’s megalomania in check. Without Larson as the old alpha, KRob wants to be the go-to leader/ big swing taker which even at her best she just isn’t. (World Championships fail for instance). Larson can chill her out if needed and take her passing/3rd option attacker role if needed. Agree. KRob tends to crumble in crunch time. Larson doesn’t. KRob also gives a nasty stare when she gets roofed and teammates can’t get to the ball.
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Post by stanfordvb on Apr 30, 2024 11:41:36 GMT -5
Both Cook and Plummer were playing with arguably the best setter in the game right now in Wolosz and one of the top liberos in the world in De Gennaro. Plus arguably the best player in the world as a massive distraction on the opposite side of the floor from both of them. And a middle that demands plenty of attention herself. I want them to be the same with USA but some people aren't taking into account that they are surrounded by some pretty ridiculous players at imoco right now lol We dont have a group comparable to haak, wolosz, moki, and fahr to surround them with
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Post by ToddyJ on Apr 30, 2024 11:44:20 GMT -5
Both Cook and Plummer were playing with arguably the best setter in the game right now in Wolosz and one of the top liberos in the world in De Gennaro. Plus arguably the best player in the world as a massive distraction on the opposite side of the floor from both of them. And a middle that demands plenty of attention herself. I want them to be the same with USA but some people aren't taking into account that they are surrounded by some pretty ridiculous players at imoco right now lol I feel like the level of play we see during club season is higher than during NT season, would you agree? I think this is due to having 7-8 months of training/playing together as opposed to what, a few weeks in the beginning of the summer of training? Not sure this has any relevancy to what we are discussing, it just crossed my mind.
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Post by jiggs on Apr 30, 2024 11:44:41 GMT -5
Both Cook and Plummer were playing with arguably the best setter in the game right now in Wolosz and one of the top liberos in the world in De Gennaro. I'm not sure USA has a setter and a libero that can match that level of play. Maybe we do on a good day but I have yet to see that level of consistency from any of USA's top setters since 2021 and even then there were glaring connection issues with Poulter at Tokyo that need to be addressed/improved. They played with the same setter and libero last year and didn’t have these numbers and Plummer has been with wolosz for 3 years. Krob was so bad last year especially after January and Plummer also kinda fell off towards the end. I honestly feel like they just got better, Plummer is approaching balls better and has more range and krob is more aggressive than she was last year
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Post by stanfordvb on Apr 30, 2024 11:47:25 GMT -5
Plus arguably the best player in the world as a massive distraction on the opposite side of the floor from both of them. And a middle that demands plenty of attention herself. I want them to be the same with USA but some people aren't taking into account that they are surrounded by some pretty ridiculous players at imoco right now lol I feel like the level of play we see during club season is higher than during NT season, would you agree? I think it varies from year to year but I'd agree. I'm not the avid pro watcher that some are on here though so don't listen to me too much lmao Serbia / turkey seems to be the favorites heading into Paris, but I'd expect the current imoco team to beat both of those national teams
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Post by ToddyJ on Apr 30, 2024 11:48:56 GMT -5
Both Cook and Plummer were playing with arguably the best setter in the game right now in Wolosz and one of the top liberos in the world in De Gennaro. I'm not sure USA has a setter and a libero that can match that level of play. Maybe we do on a good day but I have yet to see that level of consistency from any of USA's top setters since 2021 and even then there were glaring connection issues with Poulter at Tokyo that need to be addressed/improved. They played with the same setter and libero last year and didn’t have these numbers and Plummer has been with wolosz for 3 years. Krob was so bad last year especially after January and Plummer also kinda fell off towards the end This is true. I definitely hope we get to see Cook and Plummer light it up this summer. I'm hopeful we have a setter in the gym that can replicate their level of offense. Not having a terminal opposite will probably, yet again, make things more difficult for us in the long haul.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 30, 2024 11:52:28 GMT -5
Its not going to be the setting to the pins that the USA needs to worry about.
it's the middles. Kelsey and Plummer were not in-system choices #1 or 2 for Conegliano. Plummer probably took more OOS swings than Haak did during the playoffs.
I havent rewatched Annie/JT's swings from IOQT, but we cant have Chi hitting under .350/.300 whatever it was and Rettke needs more swings if they're passing 2.4.
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Post by ToddyJ on Apr 30, 2024 11:53:53 GMT -5
Its not going to be the setting to the pins that the USA needs to worry about. it's the middles. Kelsey and Plummer were not in-system choices #1 or 2 for Conegliano. Plummer probably took more OOS swings than Haak did during the playoffs. I havent rewatched Annie/JT's swings from IOQT, but we cant have Chi hitting under .350/.300 whatever it was and Rettke needs more swings if they're passing 2.4. Do we think is is our system or poor choices from the setter? Like I wonder if Karch is telling the setters not to prioritize running the middle?
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 30, 2024 12:11:14 GMT -5
Its not going to be the setting to the pins that the USA needs to worry about. it's the middles. Kelsey and Plummer were not in-system choices #1 or 2 for Conegliano. Plummer probably took more OOS swings than Haak did during the playoffs. I havent rewatched Annie/JT's swings from IOQT, but we cant have Chi hitting under .350/.300 whatever it was and Rettke needs more swings if they're passing 2.4. Do we think is is our system or poor choices from the setter? Like I wonder if Karch is telling the setters not to prioritize running the middle? I cant speak for IOQt as a whole. But I just glanced at the perfect passes in the loss vs Poland, that's just bad setting.
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Post by anOPINionATEDbeACH(hookemboo) on Apr 30, 2024 12:14:10 GMT -5
I’ve seen enough, why was Elena Scott not invited to the gym Because Hentz does everything better? If you want a diggero, you take Hentz (her passing is better than Scott too). Now that is just not true, I love Hentz though. All Scott needs is better training.
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Post by xlumie on Apr 30, 2024 12:33:15 GMT -5
McClure was a serving sub a few times for Vegas before she was waived. She sort of looked like she hadn’t touched a ball since college. It's crazy how many women's ex-college players really just quit volleyball cold turkey. You'd need to hold a gun to their head to get them to pick up a ball. Meanwhile, the men's players seem to always be looking for more chances to play. I'm sure pregnancies and traditional fiance/wife/mother roles are a factor.
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Post by Reach on Apr 30, 2024 13:06:09 GMT -5
USA fans don't like KRob. We prefer Cook as our OH2. Agreed, Cook is much better than Krob was. 😎
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Post by Reach on Apr 30, 2024 13:10:44 GMT -5
Its not going to be the setting to the pins that the USA needs to worry about. it's the middles. Kelsey and Plummer were not in-system choices #1 or 2 for Conegliano. Plummer probably took more OOS swings than Haak did during the playoffs. I havent rewatched Annie/JT's swings from IOQT, but we cant have Chi hitting under .350/.300 whatever it was and Rettke needs more swings if they're passing 2.4. Well JT was bad.. Annie wasn't terrible. I'm annoyed at the lack of sets to middle but it seems to be systematic at this point. How can the coaches not be insisting on more sets the middle is beyond me.
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