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Post by luckydawg on Mar 25, 2024 16:01:39 GMT -5
Speaking of WSU, the WSU Men's Basketball coach (who just took the Cougs into the 2nd round of the tournament) just quit to accept the head coaching gig at Stanford. How long is it going to take the WSU athletic dept. to recover from the collapse of the PAC? Recover from what? Being $100m in debt before the Pac fell apart and no real solution in sight? Even with favorable parting gifts from the 10, WSU's bailout bucket looks small and leaky.
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Post by hipsterfilth on Mar 25, 2024 16:36:34 GMT -5
I think any team that WSU scraps together will do better in the WCC than some are giving credit for. Unless they REALLY mess it up, I don’t see them being significantly worse than the bottom tier in that league.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Mar 25, 2024 17:33:18 GMT -5
The University of Alaska wasn't in the old Pacific Coast Conference. Idaho (1922-1959) and Montana (1924-1950) were. Some thought, after the PCC broke up, that OSU and WSU shouldn't have been let back in (to form the Pac-8). One of USC's complaints was over having to send an equal revenue-share to Corvallis and Pullman.
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Post by hammer on Mar 25, 2024 18:16:19 GMT -5
does WSU even have a conference yet? i'd say one returning starter, new head coach, and a new conference might take the cake. At least they have the memory of 2023, which was a very good year for them. It could be many years, even decades, before they surpass the quality and record of that team.
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Post by bbg95 on Mar 26, 2024 15:08:49 GMT -5
Speaking of WSU, the WSU Men's Basketball coach (who just took the Cougs into the 2nd round of the tournament) just quit to accept the head coaching gig at Stanford. How long is it going to take the WSU athletic dept. to recover from the collapse of the PAC? Washington apparently poached Wazzu's AD as well.
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Post by tomclen on Mar 26, 2024 15:30:37 GMT -5
Speaking of WSU, the WSU Men's Basketball coach (who just took the Cougs into the 2nd round of the tournament) just quit to accept the head coaching gig at Stanford. How long is it going to take the WSU athletic dept. to recover from the collapse of the PAC? Washington apparently poached Wazzu's AD as well. I think that's a good hire for UW. Of course, if he's as successful at UW as he was at WSU, he'll probably get poached again by his alma mater, Ohio State.
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Post by tomclen on Mar 26, 2024 15:34:03 GMT -5
Athletic Department staff meeting at WSU
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Post by bbg95 on Mar 26, 2024 18:23:08 GMT -5
Washington apparently poached Wazzu's AD as well. I think that's a good hire for UW. Of course, if he's as successful at UW as he was at WSU, he'll probably get poached again by his alma mater, Ohio State. Yeah, that would make sense. Apparently, he was in the running for the Ohio State job, but they decided to hire Texas A&M's AD instead. The A&M fans responded to this with jubilation, and the Ohio State fans don't seem too thrilled, so maybe that job will open back up sooner than later.
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Post by ay2013 on Mar 26, 2024 18:46:39 GMT -5
I guess my question is compared to what? Their record last year or compared to each other?
2023 in conference record (NCAA tournament bid)
Stanford 19-1 (Y) Oregon 16-4 (Y) ASU 14-6 (Y) WSU 14-6 (Y) USC 12-8 (Y) UCLA 10-10 (N) Colorado 8-12 (N) Washington 7-13 (N) OSU 6-14 (N) Utah 6-14 (N) Cal 5-15 (N) Arizona 3-17 (N)
If we are talking about which team will be worse off than they were year over year, the obvious choice is Washington State, but I think it's more to do with the fact that they are NOT likely to make the tournament, rather than the actual wins. The lack of strength of the WCC notwithstanding, the team just has far too many question marks. With that said, I still think they could win 14 matches next year (IMO only Pepperdine presents a tall hill to climb for a win, LMU and San Diego maybe, but all the other teams are beatable) but I certainly don't think they will be a tournament team.
If I was a betting man, the team I think that stands the most to lose year over year is Stanford, but it's mostly because they only lost one match last year. I assume they'll get Pitt and Louisville twice, FSU will be strong, and Georgia Tech looks to be alright too. I could see easily Stanford having 4-5 losses in the ACC next year, which is a pretty big increase from the one loss season last year.
The second team is Oregon, this team just isn't going to win 16 matches in the Big 10.
The team with the most UPSIDE year over year is Cal. They can win more than 5 matches in the ACC next year, especially if the conference tries to game the RPI by limiting how many matches the perceived bottom teams play against the top teams.
Comparing the overall conference record of the former Pac-12 teams, I think that program that will likely have the worst record is Arizona.
I'm not sure where the Washington votes are coming from. This team's FLOOR is 7 conference match wins (which equals last years' Pac-12 total), and IMO, if the team was smart, they'd train to take out the weaker team of the tougher pairings. Outside of the west coast home and away, I believe the traveling pairings will be: Home: Purdue/Indiana, Maryland/Rutgers, Northwestern/Illinois, Nebraska Away: Ohio State/Penn State, Michigan/Michigan State, Minnesota/Wisconsin, Iowa
I'm relatively confident that Washington is returning just a fundamentally better team than Maryland, Rutgers, Northwestern, Michigan, Michigan State, and Iowa. Of the other pairings, if they focus on taking out Indiana, Illinois, Ohio State, and Minnesota, that could be 8-10 wins right there, and that's before any home matches against the west coast schools.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Mar 26, 2024 18:52:56 GMT -5
I guess my question is compared to what? Their record last year or compared to each other? 2023 in conference record (NCAA tournament bid) Stanford 19-1 (Y) Oregon 16-4 (Y) ASU 14-6 (Y) WSU 14-6 (Y) USC 12-8 (Y) UCLA 10-10 (N) Colorado 8-12 (N) Washington 7-13 (N) OSU 6-14 (N) Utah 6-14 (N) Cal 5-15 (N) Arizona 3-17 (N) If we are talking about which team will be worse off than they were year over year, the obvious choice is Washington State, but I think it's more to do with the fact that they are NOT likely to make the tournament, rather than the actual wins. The lack of strength of the WCC notwithstanding, the team just has far too many question marks. With that said, I still think they could win 14 matches next year (IMO only Pepperdine presents a tall hill to climb for a win, LMU and San Diego maybe, but all the other teams are beatable) but I certainly don't think they will be a tournament team. If I was a betting man, the team I think that stands the most to lose year over year is Stanford, but it's mostly because they only lost one match last year. I assume they'll get Pitt and Louisville twice, FSU will be strong, and Georgia Tech looks to be alright too. I could see easily Stanford having 4-5 losses in the ACC next year, which is a pretty big increase from the one loss season last year. The second team is Oregon, this team just isn't going to win 16 matches in the Big 10. The team with the most UPSIDE year over year is Cal. They can win more than 5 matches in the ACC next year, especially if the conference tries to game the RPI by limiting how many matches the perceived bottom teams play against the top teams. Comparing the overall conference record of the former Pac-12 teams, I think that program that will likely have the worst record is Arizona. I would bet my house that WSU doesn't win 14 conference matches next season. Not your best takes.
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Post by ay2013 on Mar 26, 2024 19:04:45 GMT -5
I guess my question is compared to what? Their record last year or compared to each other? 2023 in conference record (NCAA tournament bid) Stanford 19-1 (Y) Oregon 16-4 (Y) ASU 14-6 (Y) WSU 14-6 (Y) USC 12-8 (Y) UCLA 10-10 (N) Colorado 8-12 (N) Washington 7-13 (N) OSU 6-14 (N) Utah 6-14 (N) Cal 5-15 (N) Arizona 3-17 (N) If we are talking about which team will be worse off than they were year over year, the obvious choice is Washington State, but I think it's more to do with the fact that they are NOT likely to make the tournament, rather than the actual wins. The lack of strength of the WCC notwithstanding, the team just has far too many question marks. With that said, I still think they could win 14 matches next year (IMO only Pepperdine presents a tall hill to climb for a win, LMU and San Diego maybe, but all the other teams are beatable) but I certainly don't think they will be a tournament team. If I was a betting man, the team I think that stands the most to lose year over year is Stanford, but it's mostly because they only lost one match last year. I assume they'll get Pitt and Louisville twice, FSU will be strong, and Georgia Tech looks to be alright too. I could see easily Stanford having 4-5 losses in the ACC next year, which is a pretty big increase from the one loss season last year. The second team is Oregon, this team just isn't going to win 16 matches in the Big 10. The team with the most UPSIDE year over year is Cal. They can win more than 5 matches in the ACC next year, especially if the conference tries to game the RPI by limiting how many matches the perceived bottom teams play against the top teams. Comparing the overall conference record of the former Pac-12 teams, I think that program that will likely have the worst record is Arizona. I would bet my house that WSU doesn't win 14 conference matches next season. Not your best takes. I mean sure, 14 is for sure on the high side. I'm not saying they WILL, but I think the lack of strength in the WCC makes it easier for them to win than if they were playing in the Big 10, Big 12, or ACC. There was a relatively large talent exodus in the WCC, while we may not know what WSU will look like, we also don't know what a lot of teams in the WCC will look like either. I mean, just last year, teams like Gonzaga, USF, Portland were pretty bad. I wouldn't bet on them winning 14 matches next year, but I will say it's more likely they win 14 matches in the WCC than it is Stanford only lose 1 in the ACC, or Oregon win 16 matches in the Big 10.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Mar 26, 2024 19:20:04 GMT -5
I would bet my house that WSU doesn't win 14 conference matches next season. Not your best takes. I mean sure, 14 is for sure on the high side. I'm not saying they WILL, but I think the lack of strength in the WCC makes it easier for them to win than if they were playing in the Big 10, Big 12, or ACC. There was a relatively large talent exodus in the WCC, while we may not know what WSU will look like, we also don't know what a lot of teams in the WCC will look like either. I mean, just last year, teams like Gonzaga, USF, Portland were pretty bad. I wouldn't bet on them winning 14 matches next year, but I will say it's more likely they win 14 matches in the WCC than it is Stanford only lose 1 in the ACC, or Oregon win 16 matches in the Big 10. Wazzu have like 2 WCC caliber players on the roster right now. Even beating Gonzaga, much less the other 9 (or however many schools) will be a challenge.
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Post by ay2013 on Mar 26, 2024 20:12:21 GMT -5
I mean sure, 14 is for sure on the high side. I'm not saying they WILL, but I think the lack of strength in the WCC makes it easier for them to win than if they were playing in the Big 10, Big 12, or ACC. There was a relatively large talent exodus in the WCC, while we may not know what WSU will look like, we also don't know what a lot of teams in the WCC will look like either. I mean, just last year, teams like Gonzaga, USF, Portland were pretty bad. I wouldn't bet on them winning 14 matches next year, but I will say it's more likely they win 14 matches in the WCC than it is Stanford only lose 1 in the ACC, or Oregon win 16 matches in the Big 10. Wazzu have like 2 WCC caliber players on the roster right now. Even beating Gonzaga, much less the other 9 (or however many schools) will be a challenge. We know they will eventually add more to the roster. Again, my comments about WSU in the WCC is more a referendum on the WCC than it is anything else. To end the year these were some of the pablo ratings for WCC teams: Pacific - 86 St. Marys - 136 San Francisco - 176 Santa Clara - 191 Portland - 241 Gonzaga - 267 Pacific was obviously the best of this group, but they are only returning Edwards as a positive point contributor. St. Mary's was the second best of this group and they lose their best attacker, setter, and libero. We don't necessarily know what WSU will look like next year, but I don't think I need to know to at least recognize that all of the above mentioned teams probably won't be that strong either. I certainly don't think WSU will be good next year, but I don't think at least half of the WCC will be good either.
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Post by vbnerd on Mar 27, 2024 10:50:25 GMT -5
I guess my question is compared to what? Their record last year or compared to each other? 2023 in conference record (NCAA tournament bid) Stanford 19-1 (Y) Oregon 16-4 (Y) ASU 14-6 (Y) WSU 14-6 (Y) USC 12-8 (Y) UCLA 10-10 (N) Colorado 8-12 (N) Washington 7-13 (N) OSU 6-14 (N) Utah 6-14 (N) Cal 5-15 (N) Arizona 3-17 (N) If we are talking about which team will be worse off than they were year over year, the obvious choice is Washington State, but I think it's more to do with the fact that they are NOT likely to make the tournament, rather than the actual wins. The lack of strength of the WCC notwithstanding, the team just has far too many question marks. With that said, I still think they could win 14 matches next year (IMO only Pepperdine presents a tall hill to climb for a win, LMU and San Diego maybe, but all the other teams are beatable) but I certainly don't think they will be a tournament team. If I was a betting man, the team I think that stands the most to lose year over year is Stanford, but it's mostly because they only lost one match last year. I assume they'll get Pitt and Louisville twice, FSU will be strong, and Georgia Tech looks to be alright too. I could see easily Stanford having 4-5 losses in the ACC next year, which is a pretty big increase from the one loss season last year. The second team is Oregon, this team just isn't going to win 16 matches in the Big 10. The team with the most UPSIDE year over year is Cal. They can win more than 5 matches in the ACC next year, especially if the conference tries to game the RPI by limiting how many matches the perceived bottom teams play against the top teams. Comparing the overall conference record of the former Pac-12 teams, I think that program that will likely have the worst record is Arizona. I would bet my house that WSU doesn't win 14 conference matches next season. Not your best takes. And I would bet that Stanford doesn't lose 4-5 matches in the ACC. I guess repeated cross country trips could take their toll, but if that's the case a lot of these teams are going to have trouble. Stanford just doesn't lose to teams outside the top 25 that often. Other than At Louisville and At Pittsburgh, Stanford should win every match. If you want to tell me somebody gets hurt and Delta loses somebody's shoes and Georgia Tech takes a match - ok, sure, but that's still only 3. To get to 5 I guess you think they are going to lose to Pitt and Louisville at home too? Maybe Hambly let's the girls out on the town in Miami and they catch the "South Beach flu?" I don't know, I just don't see it.
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Post by stanfordvb on Mar 27, 2024 11:21:46 GMT -5
I would bet my house that WSU doesn't win 14 conference matches next season. Not your best takes. And I would bet that Stanford doesn't lose 4-5 matches in the ACC. I guess repeated cross country trips could take their toll, but if that's the case a lot of these teams are going to have trouble. Stanford just doesn't lose to teams outside the top 25 that often. Other than At Louisville and At Pittsburgh, Stanford should win every match. If you want to tell me somebody gets hurt and Delta loses somebody's shoes and Georgia Tech takes a match - ok, sure, but that's still only 3. To get to 5 I guess you think they are going to lose to Pitt and Louisville at home too? Maybe Hambly let's the girls out on the town in Miami and they catch the "South Beach flu?" I don't know, I just don't see it. its very possible stanford loses both home and away to louisville and pitt. home court is not always the advantage everyone thinks it is, 95% of the time the better team is gonna win regardless of what court the match is on. If the teams are about even then sure, but Stanford has some big shoes to fill compared to minimal losses for Louisville and pitt
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