Olympic Beach Volleyball Rankings, Men, updated 4/6

[dunninla3]

**edited 4/7 to add Mudinger representing USA at NORCECA Tour finals in five weeks, and eliminating USA4 from any realistic chance to compete for USA2 spot.  That partner swap def did not work out for Tri or Chaim.

*** edited 4/11 to stick the fork in Lupo/Rossi who just lost in Q1 in Guadalajara.

Here is the Men's table of Top 10 finishes in the Olympic points race for Paris,.  18 teams qualify, counting that one of the 18 is the World Champion.

Men's Rankings, Top 10 finishes


Yellow means played Saquarema.

1. NOR, Mol / Sorum, 10820,
2. SWE, Åhman / Hellvig, 10320
3. CZE, Perusic / Schweiner, 8980 (7780 + 600 +600)
-- note: (have played only 8, assumes 9th/10th finishes will equal lowest counting)
4. USA1, Benesh / Partain, 8220

-- note: (have played only 9, assumes 10th finish will equal lowest counting)

5. GER, Ehlers / Wickler, 8040
6. ITA1, Cottafava / Nicolai, 7880
7. NED1, Boermans / De Groot, 7840, (6640 + 600 +600)
-- note: (have played only 8, assumes 9th/10th finishes will equal lowest counting)
8. BRA1, George / Andre, 7580
9. POL, Bryl / Losiak, 7720
+ 10. BRA2, Evandro / Arthur, 7340
10. QAT, Cherif / Ahmed, 7340
12. NED2, Brouwer / Meeuwsen, 7240
13. ITA2, Ranghieri / Carambula, 6920
14. ESP, Herrera / Gavira, 6720

IMO 1-14 are already secure in their Olympic berth via Points

----------- IMO all the below are still in play, some more than others/  Below each team's finish listing is a listing of in which of the next 4 FIVB tournaments the team is registered to play.

15. AUS1, Hodges / Schubert, 6580, (800,800,800,760,720,600,600,460,460,460) 460,460

---Notes: MxCha (Y), Mx E16(N), CHNCha (Y), BRA E16 (N)

16. USA2, Budinger / Evans, 6580 (800,760,720,(720 min. coming from NORCECA Finals May 13) 680,640,600,600,600,460) 460,460

---Notes: MxCha (Y), Mx E16(Y), CHNCha (Y), BRA E16 (Q1)

xx. USA3, Crabb / Brunner, 6460 (1120, 800,760,600,600,600,600,460,460,460) 400,360

---Notes: MxCha (Y), Mx E16(Y), CHNCha (Y), BRA E16 (Q13)

17. AUT1, Hörl / Horst 6340, (900,760,720,640,600,600,600,600,460,460) 460,460

---Notes: MxCha (Y), Mx E16(Y), CHNCha (Y), BRA E16 (Y)

18. CHI, Grimalt / Grimalt, 5820 (760,760,760,640,600,460,460,460,460,460) 400,384

---Notes: MxCha (Y), Mx E16(WL6), CHNCha (Y), BRA E16 (WL2)

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19. AUT2, Seidl / Pristauz, 5740 (800,800,720,640,600,460,460,460,400,400) 360,360

    ---Notes: MxCha (Y), Mx E16(Y), CHNCha (Y), BRA E16 (Y)

20. NOR2, MolH, / Berntsen, 5400, (760,720,640,600,460,460,460,460,460,400) 360,300

    ---Notes: MxCha (Y), Mx E16(Y), CHNCha (Y), BRA E16 (Y)

21. POL2, Kantor / Zdybak, 5360, (760,680,640,600,600,460,460,460,360,340) 300,300

    ---Notes: MxCha (N), Mx E16(N), CHNCha (Y), BRA E16 (Y)

22. CAN, Schachter / Dearing, 5260, (760,640,600,600,600,460,460,400,400,340) 340,300

---Notes: MxCha (Y), Mx E16(Y), CHNCha (Y), BRA E16 (Y)

23. LTU, Stankevicius / Knasas, 5000 (720,600,600,600,460,460,460,400,360,340) 300,220

---Notes: MxCha (Y), Mx E16(WL3), CHNCha (Y), BRA E16 (Y)

25. CUB, Diaz / Alayo, 4900 (800,760,760,680,640,460,460,432,384,340) 320,256

---Notes: MxCha (Y), Mx E16(Y), CHNCha (Y), BRA E16 (N)

----------------- IMO Olympic Points race is over for these

xx. NED3, Immers / Partner, 6320 (900,800,800,760,600,600,600,600,460,400) 340,340
---Notes: MxCha (Y), Mx E16(Y), CHNCha (N), BRA E16 (Y)

xx. USA4, Schalk / Bourne, 5760

24. ITA, Lupo / Rossi, 4920

26. AUS2, McHugh / Burnett, 4900
27. FRA1, Krou / Gauthier-Rat, 4660,
28. ENG, Bello / Bello, 4720

BRA3 and BRA4
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Cuba:

Cuba is registered for the next 3 events: Guadalajara Challenge, Tepic E16, and Xiamen Challenge.  However, they are not registered for the Brasilia E16... and I'm relatively sure the application deadline is Event -35 days, so I think they missed that one.  Still, there are two Challenge and two E16 events after Brasilia E16, so Cuba could very well enter the Top 18 given their level of play lately.  Essentially Cuba have the possibility of 7 Pro Tour points finishes, and (presumably) 1 NORCECA Tour Finals on May 13, for a total of 8 events in which to score highly and make top 18.

Race for USA2:

just noticed that Brunner/Crabb, currently USA2, will likely get an 800 point finish at the NORCECA Tour Final third week of May, barring an upset.  That is of huge significance because USA3 is not participating. 

Without that NORCECA points boost, I was thinking 50/50 that current USA3 Mudinger passes current USA2 Treo.  USA3 is a mere 140 points back .  Now I'm less optimistic.  One thing Mudinger have in their favor is that they will get to play the Brasilia E16, whereas I'm not sure Treo will have enough Entry Points to make it into the Qualis... they now have 1520, while Mudinger have 1880.   Still, 800 almost free points is a huge boost to Treo.   Per the Brasilia E16 sign up list, Treo are listed in rank order of Entry Points as Team 27.  Only 26 get in... 11 MD, 15 Q, 1 MD WC, and 1 Q WC.  Still, I think odds are very good that just 1 out of 26 entered teams would drop out.

Race for NED2:

Brouwer/Meeuwsen are currently NED2 (this is after factoring in a couple of finishes that Boermans / de Groot will pick up soon).  NED3 is Immers / unmentionable Partner.  I personally think NED3 is playing better than NED2 at the moment.  However, they are approx. 900 points behind, so the odds are quite low.  I am removing NED3 and will reevaluate after Brasialia E16 in case they make a monumental run during the next three events.  Guarantee you Immers' partner was unable to secure a visa to play in China... they are very picky about issuing visas to convicted felons.  This is Immers' partners last chance to play in the Olympics... the USA, like Canada, China, Australia and many other countries will not issue visas to convicted felons.  So no LA 2028 for him.

Race for BRA2: (over)

After last week's performance by BRA2 Evandro / Arthur, they are about 1000 points ahead of BRA3, Pedro / Guto.  I don't think that gulf is bridgeable with only 7 tournaments remaining, and the average level of play by BRA3 lately.  I'm calling that race over.

Zone Competitions: (early June)

These rankings above are for one avenue of Olympic Quaification... FIVB Points.   There is another avenue, the 5 Zone Competitions.  Teams that fail to qualify via Points, assuming no more than 1 team has already qualified from their country via Points,  may qualify via Zone Competition, 1 team per Zone. 

Zones:

-NORCECA:  If Cuba fails to attain Top 18 points, odds are better than 50/50 they win the NORCECA over CAN and MEX

-South America: Brazil will have met its Country Quota of 2, so that leaves as leading candidates Chile, (Grimalts),  should Chile fail to finish Top 18.  Also Argentina would have good odds of winning this competition and representing this Zone for the Olympics.  As would CHI2.

-Asia, including Australia:  Assuming AUS1 qualifies via points, then AUS2 could compete here as the favorite and gain a berth to Paris.

-Africa:  not that familiar with African Zone teams.  Tunisia? Morocco? 

-Europe:  Apparently this is a long process started a few months back.  I don't know if AUT2, POL2, NOR2, LTU, etc. are participating.  If so, this is their 2nd chance if they don't qualify via points.

[overonone]

Interesting about the 800 Norceca points. I’m hoping Theo/Trevor make it…so it’s good news. Crazy how significant their Tlaxcala points are!!

[cribbit]

just noticed that Brunner/Crabb, currently USA2, will likely get an 800 point finish at the NORCECA Tour Final third week of May, barring an upset. That is of huge significance because USA3 is not participating.

Why are they skipping it? 

[dunninla3]

Mar 30, 2024 22:09:20 GMT -5 cribbit said:

just noticed that Brunner/Crabb, currently USA2, will likely get an 800 point finish at the NORCECA Tour Final third week of May, barring an upset. That is of huge significance because USA3 is not participating.

Why are they skipping it? 

Mudinger aren't skipping by choice.  USAV I believe held a mini tournament maybe 6-8 weeks ago in Hermosa to see which USA team would earn the right to go to these "Finals"

I took a look at this competition and Cuba isn't particpating, but Treo still have to win it.  Even if they Bronze, that's 720 points.  Same points as a Challenger finish.

[tamz]

Isn’t QAT part of the Asian continental zone?

[beachcoach]

Mar 31, 2024 7:36:56 GMT -5 tamz said:

Isn’t QAT part of the Asian continental zone?

yes. They won the champs I think last year from
Memory.

[larabeach]

Mar 30, 2024 19:45:07 GMT -5 dunninla3 said:

[...]

Zone Competitions: (early June)

These rankings above are for one avenue of Olympic Quaification... FIVB Points.   There is another avenue, the 5 Zone Competitions.  Teams that fail to qualify via Points, assuming no more than 1 team has already qualified from their country via Points,  may qualify via Zone Competition, 1 team per Zone. 

Zones:

-NORCECA:  If Cuba fails to attain Top 18 points, odds are better than 50/50 they win the NORCECA over CAN and MEX

-South America: Brazil will have met its Country Quota of 2, so that leaves as leading candidates Chile, (Grimalts),  should Chile fail to finish Top 18.  Also Argentina would have good odds of winning this competition and representing this Zone for the Olympics.  As would CHI2.

-Asia, including Australia:  Assuming AUS1 qualifies via points, then AUS2 could compete here as the favorite and gain a berth to Paris.

-Africa:  Assuming QAT qualifies via Points, not sure who the favorite would be... not that familiar with African Zone teams.  Tunisia? Morocco?  Which zone is Israel in?

-Europe:  Apparently this is a long process started a few months back.  I don't know if AUT2, POL2, NOR2, LTU, etc. are participating.  If so, this is their 2nd chance if they don't qualify via points.

-Qatar is considered to be Asia, not Africa, both Geographically and in FIVB's zones distribution.

-Israel is part of Asia. but part of the CEV (Europe) for volleyball competitions (and other sports), because of geopolitics, I guess. Also Turkey and some ex-soviet republics should, arguably, play in Asia but they do play in Europe.

-For Africa I would bet Morroco gets  the berth, but that confederation is sadly still clearly behind everyone else, so, who knows? They rarely paly futures, let alone anything better.

-Europe have a long process as you stated, and has not been clearly explained to the fans, in my opinion. Anyway, what is clear is that it is a two team competition. It favors countries that can field 2 solid teams. I'd put Austria as favourites if AUT2 fails to enter via points, otherwise, France could be the best candidate. That said, a really good team could take over the competition alone, but really good teams will have already qualified, won't they?

[overonone]

Mar 31, 2024 7:47:41 GMT -5 larabeach said:

Mar 30, 2024 19:45:07 GMT -5 dunninla3 said:

[...]

Zone Competitions: (early June)

These rankings above are for one avenue of Olympic Quaification... FIVB Points.   There is another avenue, the 5 Zone Competitions.  Teams that fail to qualify via Points, assuming no more than 1 team has already qualified from their country via Points,  may qualify via Zone Competition, 1 team per Zone. 

Zones:

-NORCECA:  If Cuba fails to attain Top 18 points, odds are better than 50/50 they win the NORCECA over CAN and MEX

-South America: Brazil will have met its Country Quota of 2, so that leaves as leading candidates Chile, (Grimalts),  should Chile fail to finish Top 18.  Also Argentina would have good odds of winning this competition and representing this Zone for the Olympics.  As would CHI2.

-Asia, including Australia:  Assuming AUS1 qualifies via points, then AUS2 could compete here as the favorite and gain a berth to Paris.

-Africa:  Assuming QAT qualifies via Points, not sure who the favorite would be... not that familiar with African Zone teams.  Tunisia? Morocco?  Which zone is Israel in?

-Europe:  Apparently this is a long process started a few months back.  I don't know if AUT2, POL2, NOR2, LTU, etc. are participating.  If so, this is their 2nd chance if they don't qualify via points.

-Qatar is considered to be Asia, not Africa, both Geographically and in FIVB's zones distribution.

-Israel is part of Asia. but part of the CEV (Europe) for volleyball competitions (and other sports), because of geopolitics, I guess. Also Turkey and some ex-soviet republics should, arguably, play in Asia but they do play in Europe.

-For Africa I would bet Morroco gets  the berth, but that confederation is sadly still clearly behind everyone else, so, who knows? They rarely paly futures, let alone anything better.

-Europe have a long process as you stated, and has not been clearly explained to the fans, in my opinion. Anyway, what is clear is that it is a two team competition. It favors countries that can field 2 solid teams. I'd put Austria as favourites if AUT2 fails to enter via points, otherwise, France could be the best candidate. That said, a really good team could take over the competition alone, but really good teams will have already qualified, won't they?

What’s the argument in favor of a two-team competition?

[larabeach]

Argument in favor? beats me, you'd have to ask someone from the CEV, I guess. If I had to guess I'd say that they see it as a country vs country competition (and in truth it's the country not the team getting the spot).

In my opinion, it is an interesting format as a once per year variation to the usual tourney, but a terrible choice for an olympic qualifier. Also, as a (secondary) Olympic qualifier they lose the best pairs.

[dunninla3]

Mar 31, 2024 7:47:41 GMT -5 larabeach said:

Mar 30, 2024 19:45:07 GMT -5 dunninla3 said:

[...]

Zone Competitions: (early June)

These rankings above are for one avenue of Olympic Quaification... FIVB Points.   There is another avenue, the 5 Zone Competitions.  Teams that fail to qualify via Points, assuming no more than 1 team has already qualified from their country via Points,  may qualify via Zone Competition, 1 team per Zone. 

Zones:

-NORCECA:  If Cuba fails to attain Top 18 points, odds are better than 50/50 they win the NORCECA over CAN and MEX

-South America: Brazil will have met its Country Quota of 2, so that leaves as leading candidates Chile, (Grimalts),  should Chile fail to finish Top 18.  Also Argentina would have good odds of winning this competition and representing this Zone for the Olympics.  As would CHI2.

-Asia, including Australia:  Assuming AUS1 qualifies via points, then AUS2 could compete here as the favorite and gain a berth to Paris.

-Africa:  Assuming QAT qualifies via Points, not sure who the favorite would be... not that familiar with African Zone teams.  Tunisia? Morocco?  Which zone is Israel in?

-Europe:  Apparently this is a long process started a few months back.  I don't know if AUT2, POL2, NOR2, LTU, etc. are participating.  If so, this is their 2nd chance if they don't qualify via points.

-Qatar is considered to be Asia, not Africa, both Geographically and in FIVB's zones distribution.

-Israel is part of Asia. but part of the CEV (Europe) for volleyball competitions (and other sports), because of geopolitics, I guess. Also Turkey and some ex-soviet republics should, arguably, play in Asia but they do play in Europe.

-For Africa I would bet Morroco gets  the berth, but that confederation is sadly still clearly behind everyone else, so, who knows? They rarely paly futures, let alone anything better.

-Europe have a long process as you stated, and has not been clearly explained to the fans, in my opinion. Anyway, what is clear is that it is a two team competition. It favors countries that can field 2 solid teams. I'd put Austria as favourites if AUT2 fails to enter via points, otherwise, France could be the best candidate. That said, a really good team could take over the competition alone, but really good teams will have already qualified, won't they?

"considered", yes, by convention.  Not sure when you've last had a look at a globe, but what we call Africa, the middle east, Europe and Asia are ONE contiguous land mass.  Whatever name(s) you want to call it, those names have nothing to do with geological reality of one land mass.

Remember in school when we learned the "7 continents"?  What exactly makes Europe and Asia separate continents? 

[thevolleymaster]

Mar 30, 2024 22:32:11 GMT -5 dunninla3 said:

Mar 30, 2024 22:09:20 GMT -5 cribbit said:

Why are they skipping it? 

Mudinger aren't skipping by choice.  USAV I believe held a mini tournament maybe 6-8 weeks ago in Hermosa to see which USA team would earn the right to go to these "Finals"

I took a look at this competition and Cuba isn't particpating, but Treo still have to win it.  Even if they Bronze, that's 720 points.  Same points as a Challenger finish.

You’re 100% wrong. Nobody is skipping the Norceca qualifier, USA 1-8 will be there unless Miles and Andy feel they don’t need to play it. Qualifier is next Friday, whoever wins gets a huge points boost given they make the semis/finals at the actual Norceca.

[spideas]

Mar 31, 2024 12:48:20 GMT -5 thevolleymaster said:

Mar 30, 2024 22:32:11 GMT -5 dunninla3 said:

Mudinger aren't skipping by choice.  USAV I believe held a mini tournament maybe 6-8 weeks ago in Hermosa to see which USA team would earn the right to go to these "Finals"

I took a look at this competition and Cuba isn't particpating, but Treo still have to win it.  Even if they Bronze, that's 720 points.  Same points as a Challenger finish.

You’re 100% wrong. Nobody is skipping the Norceca qualifier, USA 1-8 will be there unless Miles and Andy feel they don’t need to play it. Qualifier is next Friday, whoever wins gets a huge points boost given they make the semis/finals at the actual Norceca.

While you may have come in a little hot with the call out...   Thanks for sharing the knowledge..  I did not think they had had that qualifier yet...   That will be a barn burner.. May try to make it up to Manhattan to watch that one..   If you get the details on it please post...  Enjoy the day

[ajm]

Mar 31, 2024 12:48:20 GMT -5 thevolleymaster said:

Mar 30, 2024 22:32:11 GMT -5 dunninla3 said:

Mudinger aren't skipping by choice.  USAV I believe held a mini tournament maybe 6-8 weeks ago in Hermosa to see which USA team would earn the right to go to these "Finals"

I took a look at this competition and Cuba isn't particpating, but Treo still have to win it.  Even if they Bronze, that's 720 points.  Same points as a Challenger finish.

You’re 100% wrong. Nobody is skipping the Norceca qualifier, USA 1-8 will be there unless Miles and Andy feel they don’t need to play it. Qualifier is next Friday, whoever wins gets a huge points boost given they make the semis/finals at the actual Norceca.

Media coverage of this sport is so bad that sometimes it feels like the only way fans get any information is by posting some false assumptions in the hopes that someone follows up with a correction.

[dunninla3]

Mar 31, 2024 12:48:20 GMT -5 thevolleymaster said:

Mar 30, 2024 22:32:11 GMT -5 dunninla3 said:

Mudinger aren't skipping by choice.  USAV I believe held a mini tournament maybe 6-8 weeks ago in Hermosa to see which USA team would earn the right to go to these "Finals"

I took a look at this competition and Cuba isn't particpating, but Treo still have to win it.  Even if they Bronze, that's 720 points.  Same points as a Challenger finish.

You’re 100% wrong. Nobody is skipping the Norceca qualifier, USA 1-8 will be there unless Miles and Andy feel they don’t need to play it. Qualifier is next Friday, whoever wins gets a huge points boost given they make the semis/finals at the actual Norceca.

No, don't mind the correction, if in fact the correction is correct.  Part of the reason this Thread is called a Draft.

I'm not sure we're talking about the same event.  

Is there another "Norceca Tour Final third week of May"?  I'm talking about  the event on Acrossthepond's website.   fivb.12ndr.at/player?player_id=147689&gender=m   top of page.   When you click on that link ...it takes you to fivb.12ndr.at/tournament?tcode=MCT24DOF&timezone=0  

Seeing Treo are listed there  (bottom on entry list), and also seeing Cuba is not listed there, that is what I wrote about in my post above.   If the website is incorrect, I wouldn't know.

Are we talking about different events?    If so, I suppose it is you who is 100% wrong.  or the website is wrong.  Or maybe we're both wrong, or maybe we're both right, but it is hard to divide 100% that many ways.

Once this is cleared up I will change this Thread from Draft, to a finished, corrected Thread.

[dunninla3]

Mar 31, 2024 7:47:41 GMT -5 larabeach said:

Mar 30, 2024 19:45:07 GMT -5 dunninla3 said:

[...]

Zone Competitions: (early June)

-Qatar is considered to be Asia, not Africa, ]

-Israel is part of Asia. but part of the CEV (

thanks, fixed those in the draft above.