Hand set attack question

[whiskeytangofoxtrot]

I was having an argument about beach volleyball rules with a random person on the internet, as one does. Section 13.2 of the FIVB rule book defines conditions under which an attack hit is considered a fault.  These include:

13.2.3 A player completes an attack-hit using an open-handed finger action or if using finger tips that are not rigid and together.

13.2.5 A player completes an attack-hit using an overhand pass which has a trajectory not perpendicular to the line of the shoulders. The exception is when the player is attempting to set to his or her teammate.

Everyone knows you can attack with a hand set as long as it is "square"; in fact, rule 13.2.5 seems to exist specifically to define and require the "square" characteristic of the hand set attack.  But it seems like rule 13.2.3 should disallow a hand set attack.  What am I missing?  My guess is a hand set is not considered an "open-handed finger action", so this rule doesn't apply.  In that case, what is meant by this phrase?

Side note: this rule book is surprisingly sloppily written, considering its intended purpose.

[spideas]

Apr 4, 2024 14:32:56 GMT -5 whiskeytangofoxtrot said:

I was having an argument about beach volleyball rules with a random person on the internet, as one does. Section 13.2 of the FIVB rule book defines conditions under which an attack hit is considered a fault.  These include:

13.2.3 A player completes an attack-hit using an open-handed finger action or if using finger tips that are not rigid and together.

13.2.5 A player completes an attack-hit using an overhand pass which has a trajectory not perpendicular to the line of the shoulders. The exception is when the player is attempting to set to his or her teammate.

Everyone knows you can attack with a hand set as long as it is "square"; in fact, rule 13.2.5 seems to exist specifically to define and require the "square" characteristic of the hand set attack.  But it seems like rule 13.2.3 should disallow a hand set attack.  What am I missing?  My guess is a hand set is not considered an "open-handed finger action", so this rule doesn't apply.  In that case, what is meant by this phrase?

Side note: this rule book is surprisingly sloppily written, considering its intended purpose.

That is referring to what we called an  "Open Hand Dink" back in the day...  If you are going to attack, you have to have a cobra, knuckles, etc...   

[blackmambabeto]

Apr 4, 2024 14:44:29 GMT -5 spideas said:

Apr 4, 2024 14:32:56 GMT -5 whiskeytangofoxtrot said:

I was having an argument about beach volleyball rules with a random person on the internet, as one does. Section 13.2 of the FIVB rule book defines conditions under which an attack hit is considered a fault.  These include:

Everyone knows you can attack with a hand set as long as it is "square"; in fact, rule 13.2.5 seems to exist specifically to define and require the "square" characteristic of the hand set attack.  But it seems like rule 13.2.3 should disallow a hand set attack.  What am I missing?  My guess is a hand set is not considered an "open-handed finger action", so this rule doesn't apply.  In that case, what is meant by this phrase?

Side note: this rule book is surprisingly sloppily written, considering its intended purpose.

That is referring to what we called an  "Open Hand Dink" back in the day...  If you are going to attack, you have to have a cobra, knuckles, etc...   

spot on, question answered, we can wrap up this thread, no further comments/posts 

[whiskeytangofoxtrot]

Apr 4, 2024 14:44:29 GMT -5 spideas said:

Apr 4, 2024 14:32:56 GMT -5 whiskeytangofoxtrot said:

I was having an argument about beach volleyball rules with a random person on the internet, as one does. Section 13.2 of the FIVB rule book defines conditions under which an attack hit is considered a fault.  These include:

Everyone knows you can attack with a hand set as long as it is "square"; in fact, rule 13.2.5 seems to exist specifically to define and require the "square" characteristic of the hand set attack.  But it seems like rule 13.2.3 should disallow a hand set attack.  What am I missing?  My guess is a hand set is not considered an "open-handed finger action", so this rule doesn't apply.  In that case, what is meant by this phrase?

Side note: this rule book is surprisingly sloppily written, considering its intended purpose.

That is referring to what we called an  "Open Hand Dink" back in the day...  If you are going to attack, you have to have a cobra, knuckles, etc...   

That makes sense, thanks!

[cribbit]

All the rulebooks are worded atrociously, it's like a fourth grader tried to copy wording they saw in what they thought were "serious documents" while not totally understanding the sport of volleyball.