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Post by gibbyb1 on May 4, 2024 15:23:08 GMT -5
Might be a weird perspective, but I'm struck by how "minor" this scandal is compared to those in other sports. Drinking and driving is serious behavior, but luckily no one was hurt. Contrast this with being present at the scene of a murder or other assault, or even committing a a murder or assault like we've seen in football/basketball. Give her time….. Be better
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Post by vbfamily on May 4, 2024 15:29:03 GMT -5
Might be a weird perspective, but I'm struck by how "minor" this scandal is compared to those in other sports. Drinking and driving is serious behavior, but luckily no one was hurt. Contrast this with being present at the scene of a murder or other assault, or even committing a a murder or assault like we've seen in football/basketball. Volleyball as a sport seems to attract a very sensitive crowd maybe? I wondered why this thread was staying at the top. Now I see the news from yesterday. Ugh. In regard to a sensitive crowd, I think volleyball players seldom get into public trouble. I've been around the sport for over 40 years and my teammates, my kids' teammates and those we all played against, there really wasn't any legal troubles. I really liked having my kids growing up around the volleyball players I coached, as they tended to be good role models. I think that is why fans are more sensitive.
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Post by knapplc on May 4, 2024 15:40:27 GMT -5
[If you don't think that a star player like Phillips was treated differently than some third-stringer who never played would be, then you're naive. Damon Benning was at least a third-stringer. You talk a lot about Nebraska. You don't seem to know as much about Nebraska as you think you do.
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Post by knapplc on May 4, 2024 15:44:06 GMT -5
They did kinda shuffle him out to the NFL a year early when that wasn’t all that normal which worked out great😲. But if Cook ever does address this and says it’s better to keep HM “in the fold”, you know the same script is in the AD office in a break glass in case of multiple arrests box. We get it. You don't like Nebraska. But reaching 30 years back to throw dirt on a team you don't like ain't it.
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Post by huskerfrosh on May 4, 2024 15:48:55 GMT -5
The irony of you exhibiting symptoms of FASDs. My last name isn’t Murray. Defensive much? I’m sorry for taking shots (no pun intended) at your precious star. i'm a nebraska stan, but she is not my star. she is a fallen star. bad juju ... bad vibes ... have you seen her tiktoks? lock her up.
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Post by robocop21 on May 4, 2024 15:57:17 GMT -5
My last name isn’t Murray. Defensive much? I’m sorry for taking shots (no pun intended) at your precious star. i'm a nebraska stan, but she is not my star. she is a fallen star. bad juju ... bad vibes ... have you seen her tiktoks? lock her up. Haha just stop. She’s an 18/19 year old girl navigating a path a lot of us wouldn’t be able to dream of. Completely agree there should be some consequences but nothing more extreme just because of her status on a College Volleyball team.
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Post by rjaege on May 4, 2024 16:03:03 GMT -5
Agree with first paragraph, but not 2nd. At this point, the primary career path HM has professed is WVB. Don't agree with pulling that away from her at this point. She has clearly damaged her pro WVB prospects in the short term, but she can change and amend that. However, in the end, she is the one that must implement the corrective behavior required. Well too freaking bad. She can profess any career path she wants. Plenty of people don't get to work in their preferred career path, many of them because of criminal records, which she will now have. Quite a few countries will not authorize a working visa (which she would need to play overseas) due to a DUI. Adding to that with petty theft charges isn't going to help. She is no longer a minor, so those are going to be on her record for a while. And it's not like she can just transfer to another school, as those charges are a discretionary disqualifying item for admissions. Do I think she should be permanently banned from the team/volleyball? Absolutely not. But she should definitely be taking a (redshirt) year away from the program to get her crap together, get whatever help she needs, and sort through her legal issues and any ramifications from them. Coddling her and telling her she is special because she is an amazing volleyball player is likely, at least, a partially contributing factor to all of this. Now, it's time to grow up. Lots of anger.
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Post by jcvball22 on May 4, 2024 16:11:31 GMT -5
Well too freaking bad. She can profess any career path she wants. Plenty of people don't get to work in their preferred career path, many of them because of criminal records, which she will now have. Quite a few countries will not authorize a working visa (which she would need to play overseas) due to a DUI. Adding to that with petty theft charges isn't going to help. She is no longer a minor, so those are going to be on her record for a while. And it's not like she can just transfer to another school, as those charges are a discretionary disqualifying item for admissions. Do I think she should be permanently banned from the team/volleyball? Absolutely not. But she should definitely be taking a (redshirt) year away from the program to get her crap together, get whatever help she needs, and sort through her legal issues and any ramifications from them. Coddling her and telling her she is special because she is an amazing volleyball player is likely, at least, a partially contributing factor to all of this. Now, it's time to grow up. Lots of anger. No anger. But people don’t always get what they want. And blindly attacking everyone who doesn’t agree we should all just let it go, like you are, is the kind of permissive behavior that doesn’t help. I am simply stating that professing your career path to be professional volleyball, then doing a bunch of things that could potentially prevent that option, means she may not get that path.
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Post by offindeedsoon on May 4, 2024 16:16:54 GMT -5
Might be a weird perspective, but I'm struck by how "minor" this scandal is compared to those in other sports. Drinking and driving is serious behavior, but luckily no one was hurt. Contrast this with being present at the scene of a murder or other assault, or even committing a a murder or assault like we've seen in football/basketball. honestly true. like a dui is serious, but (unfortunately), it's also incredibly...mundane. like lol so many people in this thread can't wait to tell you about theirs lmfao. I feel like if I tried to talk to other college sports fans and explained this controversy they'd just stare at me blankly like "56 pages and counting for a DUI and petty theft? That's just Tuesday for us!"
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Post by rjaege on May 4, 2024 16:25:22 GMT -5
No anger. But people don’t always get what they want. And blindly attacking everyone who doesn’t agree we should all just let it go, like you are, is the kind of permissive behavior that doesn’t help. I am simply stating that professing your career path to be professional volleyball, then doing a bunch of things that could potentially prevent that option, means she may not get that path. She is subject to legal penalties like anyone else. I am not yet certain what she did, she is innocent til proven innocent. Also I am totally unaware if this is an ongoing long-term behavior, or if these are temporary stress related. Regardless she is responsible for both her actions and making corrective actions. It does not seem to me that making her sit out a year is in her best interest. Actually I doubt that is an option NU could mandate without her consent, as the transfer portal is available to her. After conviction, NU probably could pull her scholsrship, but then many would say NU abandoned her in a crisis. NU knows more than me. I trust them to balance their response. To me, you definitely seem angry about this issue.
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Post by jcvball22 on May 4, 2024 16:44:30 GMT -5
No anger. But people don’t always get what they want. And blindly attacking everyone who doesn’t agree we should all just let it go, like you are, is the kind of permissive behavior that doesn’t help. I am simply stating that professing your career path to be professional volleyball, then doing a bunch of things that could potentially prevent that option, means she may not get that path. To me, you definitely seem angry about this issue. You’ve said that about almost every poster who has disagreed with you. Internal bias is a real thing. You should work on your awareness. Disagreeing and presenting reasonable opposition doesn’t make anyone angry. But gaslighting people by constantly calling them angry when they don’t agree with you is not it.
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Post by rjaege on May 4, 2024 16:52:20 GMT -5
To me, you definitely seem angry about this issue. You’ve said that about almost every poster who has disagreed with you. Internal bias is a real thing. You should work on your awareness. Disagreeing and presenting reasonable opposition doesn’t make anyone angry. But gaslighting people by constantly calling them angry when they don’t agree with you is not it. Just not true. LOL.
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Post by raian13 on May 4, 2024 16:59:37 GMT -5
My last name isn’t Murray. Defensive much? I’m sorry for taking shots (no pun intended) at your precious star. Insert any last name you want. I’d be doing the very same for any player, from any team. Okay enabler
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Post by widdledumpling on May 4, 2024 17:54:07 GMT -5
Might be a weird perspective, but I'm struck by how "minor" this scandal is compared to those in other sports. Drinking and driving is serious behavior, but luckily no one was hurt. Contrast this with being present at the scene of a murder or other assault, or even committing a a murder or assault like we've seen in football/basketball. honestly true. like a dui is serious, but (unfortunately), it's also incredibly...mundane. like lol so many people in this thread can't wait to tell you about theirs lmfao. I feel like if I tried to talk to other college sports fans and explained this controversy they'd just stare at me blankly like "56 pages and counting for a DUI and petty theft? That's just Tuesday for us!" I was surprised by all the people talking about how seriously players/teammates take driving under the influence. That was not my collegiate athlete experience. When I was a freshman the upperclassmen dismissed my offer to drive so they wouldn’t drive drunk, and one of my teammates tried to drive drunk AND high before I took the keys and drove myself(and then they smoked weed in the backseat while I was driving).
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Post by mikegarrison on May 4, 2024 17:59:31 GMT -5
When I was a freshman the upperclassmen dismissed my offer to drive so they wouldn’t drive drunk, and one of my teammates tried to drive drunk AND high before I took the keys and drove myself(and then they smoked weed in the backseat while I was driving). Drunk people and young adults are both groups known for not always making the best decisions. If you wait until you are drunk to decide whether or not you should drive home, it's too late. You should decide that *before* you start drinking. Either decide not to drink, or decide not to drive home, but make a decision and then stick to it.
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