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Post by jsquare on Apr 18, 2024 5:19:29 GMT -5
I highly recommend this recently published book, “Takeover: Hitler’s Final Rise to Power,” which about Hitler's push for absolute power in 1932 and how it was aided by a number of establishment right-wing figures in Germany who were playing cynical games and should've known better. Some strong parallels to the US today. A cautionary tale of how a country with a functional (albeit flawed) democracy ended up handing absolute to someone who could never claim a majority in an actual election and whom the entire conservative political class regarded as a chaotic clown with a violent following. An Imperfect analogy, to be sure, but still offers a number of similarities to contemporary American conservatism and the MAGA movement. Fascinating read. www.amazon.com/Takeover-Hitlers-Final-Rise-Power/dp/0593537424?ots=1&tag=thneyo0f-20&linkCode=w50&dplnkId=916576a5-5e53-4232-82f3-935a163119e9&nodl=1Nice speech but we’re not the ones trying to put someone in prison that is our political opponent, and dominate the media with what we only believe. We’re also not a party that is thick with antisemites right now.We also got suspended without pay people who don’t agree with our opinion. I will not comment on Donald Trump again if you can tell me that Trump did not pay hush money to Stormy Daniels in an effort to influence the election.
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Post by bluepenquin on Apr 18, 2024 8:59:36 GMT -5
Also, can we stop cheapening the term “Nazi” by yelling it out like every 5th post simply because we don’t like someone else's politics? It’s simplistic, reductive, almost always misapplied, and devalues how abhorrent actual Nazis were. Here’s an idea: Visit the Holocaust Museum in DC, or visit Dachau. See what real Nazis really did. Perhaps then one would not be so quick to casually referred to someone with a different political ideology as a “Nazi.” So true - my comment was in jest - because of the constant use of this word (along with Fascist) to describe anyone on the right in this country.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 18, 2024 9:32:47 GMT -5
Also, can we stop cheapening the term “Nazi” by yelling it out like every 5th post simply because we don’t like someone else's politics? It’s simplistic, reductive, almost always misapplied, and devalues how abhorrent actual Nazis were. Here’s an idea: Visit the Holocaust Museum in DC, or visit Dachau. See what real Nazis really did. Perhaps then one would not be so quick to casually referred to someone with a different political ideology as a “Nazi.” So true - my comment was in jest - because of the constant use of this word (along with Fascist) to describe anyone on the right in this country. It is a mistake to call people Nazis when they are not Nazis. It is a mistake to *not* call people Nazis when they are Nazis. There are, quite openly, some Nazis in the US.
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Post by mervinswerved on Apr 18, 2024 9:50:16 GMT -5
Also, can we stop cheapening the term “Nazi” by yelling it out like every 5th post simply because we don’t like someone else's politics? It’s simplistic, reductive, almost always misapplied, and devalues how abhorrent actual Nazis were. Here’s an idea: Visit the Holocaust Museum in DC, or visit Dachau. See what real Nazis really did. Perhaps then one would not be so quick to casually referred to someone with a different political ideology as a “Nazi.” So true - my comment was in jest - because of the constant use of this word (along with Fascist) to describe anyone on the right in this country. If someone is a Nazi or a fascist, it is perfectly fine to call them one. They're usually proud of it, in my experience.
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Post by thevolleybaker on Apr 18, 2024 11:44:45 GMT -5
So true - my comment was in jest - because of the constant use of this word (along with Fascist) to describe anyone on the right in this country. If someone is a Nazi or a fascist, it is perfectly fine to call them one. They're usually proud of it, in my experience. Agree. And people also have to understand that fascism has come in many iterations. The U.S. has its own type of fascism that is informed by our history and development that is different from German fascism, Italian fascism, Spanish fascism, Austrian fascism, etc. But as you said in the U.S. we also have Nazis who identify as such or go by a different name but run right up to their ideals, such as the Proud Boys. It is certainly frustrating when characterizations of Nazi and fascist are thrown around without merit. It is also wrong to improperly state that something is akin to how Jews were treated during the Shoah as that is trivialization. But as has also been said, to NOT identify the actual fascism and Nazism present in the US would be minimizing and ignoring the major threat it poses in our country to marginalized communities and our democracy. Being on the right does not automatically make someone a Nazi, but fascism and Nazism are by definition and practice conservative movements. That’s really not up for debate if you have properly studied them
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Post by franknvb on Apr 18, 2024 11:45:52 GMT -5
Curious if you’ve ever watched island at war. It’s the real account of the island of Guernsey during World War II. The Nazis took the island over and they showed how life changed for the people living on the island. Of course every Jew was first marked if they were a store owner. It was found on the shop there in German soldiers would definitely not support that business. Then a few months later they loaded them up and took them away to what we assume we’re concentration camps. . Remember when Democrats wanted everyone to boycott any businesses that supported Donald Trump. Remember when they pressured people that dared to come out in support of him. Trying to ruin them? They investigated his closest allies in cabinet members.Nothing made them happier when those people were destroyed? This is you people and that is exactly what you’ve turned into. The Germans would never admit it either. Because they knew in their hearts they were right. And no one had the guts or courage to realize this was the first step in something horrible. Sound familiar? Hitler is Trump's hero. Trump is a fascist. You can't deny that Trump would massacre 6 Million Americans if it meant he would win in November. Karl Marx is your hero. You are a fascist and a Marxist. You can't deny that you worship satan
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Post by HOLIDAY on Apr 18, 2024 14:05:58 GMT -5
If someone is a Nazi or a fascist, it is perfectly fine to call them one. They're usually proud of it, in my experience. Agree. And people also have to understand that fascism has come in many iterations. The U.S. has its own type of fascism that is informed by our history and development that is different from German fascism, Italian fascism, Spanish fascism, Austrian fascism, etc. But as you said in the U.S. we also have Nazis who identify as such or go by a different name but run right up to their ideals, such as the Proud Boys. It is certainly frustrating when characterizations of Nazi and fascist are thrown around without merit. It is also wrong to improperly state that something is akin to how Jews were treated during the Shoah as that is trivialization. But as has also been said, to NOT identify the actual fascism and Nazism present in the US would be minimizing and ignoring the major threat it poses in our country to marginalized communities and our democracy. Being on the right does not automatically make someone a Nazi, but fascism and Nazism are by definition and practice conservative movements. That’s really not up for debate if you have properly studied them Let’s investigate. What party has tried everything under the sun for the last eight years to destroy their political opponent? What government encourage the media to make decisions on their behalf during Covid. What administration used the FBI and the Justice Department to twist arms and make sure their political opponent was lol persecuted. One political party contacted social media and pressured them to say and do certain things. And you still are stupid enough to suggest it’s a conservative problem that Nazism exists? Lol l you
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Apr 18, 2024 14:24:23 GMT -5
Agree. And people also have to understand that fascism has come in many iterations. The U.S. has its own type of fascism that is informed by our history and development that is different from German fascism, Italian fascism, Spanish fascism, Austrian fascism, etc. But as you said in the U.S. we also have Nazis who identify as such or go by a different name but run right up to their ideals, such as the Proud Boys. It is certainly frustrating when characterizations of Nazi and fascist are thrown around without merit. It is also wrong to improperly state that something is akin to how Jews were treated during the Shoah as that is trivialization. But as has also been said, to NOT identify the actual fascism and Nazism present in the US would be minimizing and ignoring the major threat it poses in our country to marginalized communities and our democracy. Being on the right does not automatically make someone a Nazi, but fascism and Nazism are by definition and practice conservative movements. That’s really not up for debate if you have properly studied them Let’s investigate. What party has tried everything under the sun for the last eight years to destroy their political opponent? What government encourage the media to make decisions on their behalf during Covid. What administration used the FBI and the Justice Department to twist arms and make sure their political opponent was lol persecuted. One political party contacted social media and pressured them to say and do certain things. And you still are stupid enough to suggest it’s a conservative problem that Nazism exists? Lol l you You realize - oh, Hell, of course you don’t - that most of the items you listed in that nearly incoherent screed happened when Trump was president, right? Or that any of them, even if true (they’re not, LOL), bear no relation to Nazi ideology? Read my above post regarding the overuse of the term “Nazi,” then go read some history - perhaps the book I recommended to you yesterday. We would all be better for it, trust me. Dummkopf.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Apr 18, 2024 14:26:08 GMT -5
Let’s investigate. What party has tried everything under the sun for the last eight years to destroy their political opponent? What government encourage the media to make decisions on their behalf during Covid. What administration used the FBI and the Justice Department to twist arms and make sure their political opponent was lol persecuted. One political party contacted social media and pressured them to say and do certain things. And you still are stupid enough to suggest it’s a conservative problem that Nazism exists? Lol l you You realize - oh, Hell, of course you don’t - that most of the items you listed in that nearly incoherent screed happened when Trump was president, right? Or that any of them, even if true (they’re not, LOL), bear no relation to Nazi ideology? Read my above post regarding the overuse of the term “Nazi,” then go read some history - perhaps the book I recommended to you yesterday. We would all be better for it, trust me. Dummkopf. Oh my God, the surf is killing you. Because you have no brain left. No one believes that. Get out of that wetsuit because it’s shutting off your circulation.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Apr 18, 2024 14:32:47 GMT -5
You realize - oh, Hell, of course you don’t - that most of the items you listed in that nearly incoherent screed happened when Trump was president, right? Or that any of them, even if true (they’re not, LOL), bear no relation to Nazi ideology? Read my above post regarding the overuse of the term “Nazi,” then go read some history - perhaps the book I recommended to you yesterday. We would all be better for it, trust me. Dummkopf. Oh my God, the surf is killing you. Because you have no brain left. No one believes that. Get out of that wetsuit because it’s shutting off your circulation. What, exactly, is it “no one believes?” Use your words, and do your best not to throw in the term “Nazi.” You can do it!
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Post by HOLIDAY on Apr 18, 2024 14:34:38 GMT -5
Oh my God, the surf is killing you. Because you have no brain left. No one believes that. Get out of that wetsuit because it’s shutting off your circulation. What, exactly, is it “no one believes?” Use your words, and do your best not to throw in the term “Nazi.” You can do it! I’m sorry but what your party has done the last 3 to 4 years is heading in that direction quickly. Stop trying to target your political enemy, and win fair and square and people won’t call you Nazis.
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Post by thevolleybaker on Apr 18, 2024 14:54:18 GMT -5
Agree. And people also have to understand that fascism has come in many iterations. The U.S. has its own type of fascism that is informed by our history and development that is different from German fascism, Italian fascism, Spanish fascism, Austrian fascism, etc. But as you said in the U.S. we also have Nazis who identify as such or go by a different name but run right up to their ideals, such as the Proud Boys. It is certainly frustrating when characterizations of Nazi and fascist are thrown around without merit. It is also wrong to improperly state that something is akin to how Jews were treated during the Shoah as that is trivialization. But as has also been said, to NOT identify the actual fascism and Nazism present in the US would be minimizing and ignoring the major threat it poses in our country to marginalized communities and our democracy. Being on the right does not automatically make someone a Nazi, but fascism and Nazism are by definition and practice conservative movements. That’s really not up for debate if you have properly studied them Let’s investigate. What party has tried everything under the sun for the last eight years to destroy their political opponent? What government encourage the media to make decisions on their behalf during Covid. What administration used the FBI and the Justice Department to twist arms and make sure their political opponent was lol persecuted. One political party contacted social media and pressured them to say and do certain things. And you still are stupid enough to suggest it’s a conservative problem that Nazism exists? Lol l you Funny. In my first discussion of this topic where I explained very clearly to you what fascism is you told me to “get off my over-educated high horse.” When I gave you a long list of the rampant antisemitism from Trump and that and Nazi sympathy from his followers you said I was “full of hot air.” Now you call me stupid. I already explained months ago what fascism is and how it is a reactionary conservative movement. I know because it is what I study. It’s not my opinion that Nazism and fascism are conservative movements, it’s fact grounded in historical evidence. You can insult me all you want, that doesn’t change that fact. Interesting also that the “lock her up” and “rule of law” crowd is now crying about Trump being charged. Trump is going to trial because he broke the law and there is nothing fascist about that. NO ONE is above the law. When any politician breaks the law there should be consequences. Antisemitism comes from all ends of the political spectrum, but fascism and Nazism are conservative movements and understanding that helps figure out the best strategies to fight against them, which is critical as they have ramped up their recruiting efforts.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Apr 18, 2024 14:57:18 GMT -5
What, exactly, is it “no one believes?” Use your words, and do your best not to throw in the term “Nazi.” You can do it! I’m sorry but what your party has done the last 3 to 4 years is heading in that direction quickly. Stop trying to target your political enemy, and win fair and square and people won’t call you Nazis. Damn, and I was really hoping you could do it just one time. Not only did you avoid my question, you just had to play the Nazi card as well. Well, it’s at least partially my fault. I do need to remember the old adage: “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
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Post by jsquare on Apr 18, 2024 16:22:54 GMT -5
Hitler is Trump's hero. Trump is a fascist. You can't deny that Trump would massacre 6 Million Americans if it meant he would win in November. Karl Marx is your hero. You are a fascist and a Marxist. You can't deny that you worship satan Hey Frankie, hail Satan.
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Post by bluepenquin on Apr 18, 2024 16:40:48 GMT -5
If someone is a Nazi or a fascist, it is perfectly fine to call them one. They're usually proud of it, in my experience. Being on the right does not automatically make someone a Nazi, but fascism and Nazism are by definition and practice conservative movements. That’s really not up for debate if you have properly studied them Would this include the people with Swastika flags at pro-Palestine protests. Is this a conservative movement among the Nazi's in the US?
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