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Post by dunninla3 on Apr 14, 2024 17:02:42 GMT -5
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Post by stephenasinjin on Apr 14, 2024 19:46:45 GMT -5
Nice post, thanks. Personally I think it’s time to base it on top 12, not 10 but to each his own.
I’d love to see Norway2 get to top 18.
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Post by stephenasinjin on Apr 14, 2024 19:49:49 GMT -5
Crazy that Herrera/Gavira are still that high. In my mind they were aging out in Tokyo. Honestly an incredible display of longevity.
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Post by stephenasinjin on Apr 14, 2024 19:50:25 GMT -5
One thing I’m salty about is that we didn’t get Tocs/Smedins until now.
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Post by larabeach on Apr 15, 2024 3:01:20 GMT -5
Crazy that Herrera/Gavira are still that high. In my mind they were aging out in Tokyo. Honestly an incredible display of longevity. I think Herrera would be the first to take part in 6 Olympics as a beach volleyball player. I'm sure that fuels him. |
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Post by guest2 on Apr 15, 2024 4:00:15 GMT -5
dunninla what two finishes for Treo are you referring to? I have both teams lowest of 12 at 460? Which is also what acrossthepond has
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Post by acrossthepond on Apr 15, 2024 7:52:26 GMT -5
From my point of view the race from a country perspective is more or less over. The top 17 from dunninla3 's ranking will make it plus Cuba. Everything else would be a major surprise. The only real battle that is still going on is USA2 vs USA3. Brazil is 100% done, Netherlands is 95% done. CHI and AUT2 don't do anything and will easily be overtaken by Cuba. |
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Post by dunninla3 on Apr 15, 2024 10:32:31 GMT -5
dunninla what two finishes for Treo are you referring to? I have both teams lowest of 12 at 460? Which is also what acrossthepond has let me check, and by that I mean check ATP's spreadsheet.
back. you are correct. I carried forward something from about 4 tournaments ago that has been replaced now. Fixed it. It is only one, not two, extra 460 point currently counting finishes for Treo. Treo have (4) 460 point counting finishes, using Top 12, and Mudinger only have 3. To me that is a 140 point advantage for Treo.
By now ATP's site should be up to the minute so I will double check finishes 11 and 12 that I show outside the parentheses.
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Post by dunninla3 on Apr 15, 2024 10:48:33 GMT -5
From my point of view the race from a country perspective is more or less over. The top 17 from dunninla3 's ranking will make it plus Cuba. Everything else would be a major surprise. The only real battle that is still going on is USA2 vs USA3. Brazil is 100% done, Netherlands is 95% done. CHI and AUT2 don't do anything and will easily be overtaken by Cuba. You could be probably correct about Cuba. The women's race is involving at least six teams, but not so the men.
Still, the Cubans have almost 600 points to gain. They should, though I don't have any facts, also be in the NORCECA Tour Finals of May 13, and that would be a likely 760 or 800 points. That would replace their current lowest (Top 10) counter of 384, so reduce the deficit to around 150 points.
This all assumes that CHI, AUT2 and NOR2 do not play better than they have thus far and increase their points. Cuba is playing much better than before, so you cannot rule out a team catching fire. Same happened with Slaes on the women's side for Tokyo.
Problem is I don't know at this moment if CUB are actually playing that NORCECA Tour Finals event, and I'm not sure about point total b/c there is a small chance they meet Mudinger in Semis and lose and get 720.
If CUB are playing the NORCECA Tour Final, and barring injury, I agree about 90% that they are inside the Top 18. Which would make CAN very happy.
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Post by cribbit on Apr 15, 2024 13:48:07 GMT -5
Two points go different, Treo lose in the first round a couple days ago, and the USA2 race would be a lot more interesting.
With all these pool forfeits, I could see a situation where Muddinger try to figure out a way to face Treo in playoffs in future tournaments. They've proven they can beat them head to head and they need their finish to outstrip theirs if they want to beat them to Paris.
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Post by thevolleymaster on Apr 15, 2024 14:14:30 GMT -5
Two points go different, Treo lose in the first round a couple days ago, and the USA2 race would be a lot more interesting. With all these pool forfeits, I could see a situation where Muddinger try to figure out a way to face Treo in playoffs in future tournaments. They've proven they can beat them head to head and they need their finish to outstrip theirs if they want to beat them to Paris. That’s a nice thought, but practically impossible to execute. The only scenario which would give them the best chance of facing off is one of them winning Pool A/B and the other being in the lucky loser. But still nothing guaranteed. |
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Post by dunninla3 on Apr 17, 2024 20:28:36 GMT -5
From my point of view the race from a country perspective is more or less over. The top 17 from dunninla3 's ranking will make it plus Cuba. ... CHI and AUT2 don't do anything and will easily be overtaken by Cuba. See, the problem with CUB is this first set that completed in Tepic v. NOR2. This team is unpredictable, and they could go south as easily as north. |
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Post by dunninla3 on Apr 17, 2024 22:19:25 GMT -5
insofar as the race for Paris, this tournament lost half of the teams fighting for a Country Quota or Top 18 spot already. USA4 out. USA3 out. AUT2 out. NOR2 out. POL2 no show. CAN no show. That leaves CUB hoping to close the points gap to CHI, and CHI hoping to get out of Pool and increase its lead over all those mentioned already except CUB who could equal, surpass, or fall short of CHI finish in Tepic. Lastly, USA2 would hope to break Pool and increase its lead over USA3.
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Post by dunninla3 on Apr 20, 2024 22:39:08 GMT -5
I've updated the rankings going into tomorrow.
- Big move for CUB, and this does not count their 720-800 almost guaranteed finish in the may 13 NORCECA Tour Finals. Assuming 720 replacing a 432 puts their Top 10 at 6044, and spot 18.
- USA2 jump over ITA2, while increasing their lead over USA3 to 360 points. - NED3 narrows the gap to NED2 to 420 points.
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