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Post by potato518 on Apr 17, 2024 16:51:05 GMT -5
do you think your mother would be proud that you’re cyber bullying in her name??? Stop throwing that term around. You obviously have not had to fight for a cause . Cyber bullying is NOT stating what’s on public record = blood alcohol level twice the legal limit, possessing a fake ID, failing to comply with multiple directives from officers, as reported allegedly by the police … cited for DUI as well as careless driving, minor in possession, possession of a fake ID and obstructing a peace officer. Now take a seat and bring your entitlement elsewhere. yeah we got it the first time |
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Post by huskernkc on Apr 17, 2024 20:02:52 GMT -5
My mom sure did before she was killed by a DUI in Nebraska by a college student at the wheel. You haven’t lived a minute in my shoes so continue trolling. You have four posts on this account all referring to Harper Murray and her DUI arrest. I'm sorry for the loss of your mother. I have lost many people dear to me in my life for all kinds of reasons. I do not get to have sole ownership over every cause of death of the people I love. Your mother's passing does not make you the ultimate moral authority. It gives you a specific perspective, and no one can take that away from you. Nor should they. But you went from telling a bit about your story on the Nebraska thread to making a gratuitous attack on Murray on a thread Terry Pettit thoughtfully posted to give us access to a podcast that you yourself found "beautifully done." It's a sh1tty thing to do, no two ways around it. If you have decided to make Murray's DUI some kind of jihad I sure hope you find avenues other than volleytalk to pursue it, because the post you made on this thread was inappropriate. I'll also point out that while Murray was arrested for DUI, she did not actually in fact hurt anyone. That's an important distinction. She could have. Sure. But you and I could possibly kill someone while driving without the assistance of driving under the influence. I've certainly lost loved ones to car accidents. Injuring someone makes this a different case than potentially injuring someone. She is also a first offender, and that will and should be taken into account as well. Hopefully she learns an important lesson with this mistake and we never hear about something similar happening to her ever again. I'd also invite you to lean into finding ways to experience forgiveness and grace. Not just for others, but for yourself as well. There's some bitterness going on inside you. This isn't the medium for you to shift your perspective, but maybe I can plant a seed that can take root some other time and place in your life. i really liked your post for the most part…but (and i don’t follow enough to know if you are a husker fan or just volleyball fan) the point of “she did not actually in fact hurt anyone.” should not be a valid argument or point to make, imvho. if someone shoots a gun at someone but misses, should they not be charged with murder? why is the success of the act the determining factor for the “intent” of the act? if someone climbs behind a wheel of a vehicle and is totally bombed, they need to be responsible for their actions. Murray being a 19 year old should be responsible for her actions and probably will (but non-husker fans will complain the punishment is not harsh enough), i.e. the heavy drinking and then driving. what punishment should she get? the school will probably determine that, and cook will probably have input, but hopefully this young lady will learn from a couple poor decisions that fortunately DIDN’T hurt anyone, or worse. now, on with the spring season…. |
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Post by knapplc on Apr 17, 2024 20:59:40 GMT -5
if someone shoots a gun at someone but misses, should they not be charged with murder? No. |
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Post by slxpress on Apr 17, 2024 21:03:15 GMT -5
You have four posts on this account all referring to Harper Murray and her DUI arrest. I'm sorry for the loss of your mother. I have lost many people dear to me in my life for all kinds of reasons. I do not get to have sole ownership over every cause of death of the people I love. Your mother's passing does not make you the ultimate moral authority. It gives you a specific perspective, and no one can take that away from you. Nor should they. But you went from telling a bit about your story on the Nebraska thread to making a gratuitous attack on Murray on a thread Terry Pettit thoughtfully posted to give us access to a podcast that you yourself found "beautifully done." It's a sh1tty thing to do, no two ways around it. If you have decided to make Murray's DUI some kind of jihad I sure hope you find avenues other than volleytalk to pursue it, because the post you made on this thread was inappropriate. I'll also point out that while Murray was arrested for DUI, she did not actually in fact hurt anyone. That's an important distinction. She could have. Sure. But you and I could possibly kill someone while driving without the assistance of driving under the influence. I've certainly lost loved ones to car accidents. Injuring someone makes this a different case than potentially injuring someone. She is also a first offender, and that will and should be taken into account as well. Hopefully she learns an important lesson with this mistake and we never hear about something similar happening to her ever again. I'd also invite you to lean into finding ways to experience forgiveness and grace. Not just for others, but for yourself as well. There's some bitterness going on inside you. This isn't the medium for you to shift your perspective, but maybe I can plant a seed that can take root some other time and place in your life. i really liked your post for the most part…but (and i don’t follow enough to know if you are a husker fan or just volleyball fan) the point of “she did not actually in fact hurt anyone.” should not be a valid argument or point to make, imvho. if someone shoots a gun at someone but misses, should they not be charged with murder? why is the success of the act the determining factor for the “intent” of the act? if someone climbs behind a wheel of a vehicle and is totally bombed, they need to be responsible for their actions. Murray being a 19 year old should be responsible for her actions and probably will (but non-husker fans will complain the punishment is not harsh enough), i.e. the heavy drinking and then driving. what punishment should she get? the school will probably determine that, and cook will probably have input, but hopefully this young lady will learn from a couple poor decisions that fortunately DIDN’T hurt anyone, or worse. now, on with the spring season…. You lost me on the part where if someone fires a gun at someone they should be charged with murder. I don’t know how to explain this to you, but no, they would be charged at most with attempted murder. Here’s the tricky part. They are only charged with murder if they in fact MURDERED someone. And even then there are all kinds of extenuating circumstances. A key one being intent. Did Harper Murray drink an excessive amount of alcohol and then get behind the wheel of a car with the INTENT to kill or injure someone? I can’t read her mind, but my strongest guess is that no she did not. In all likelihood she was out drinking with people she knew and then got in her car to go home without thinking about the consequences - and if there’s anything drinking does, it makes you a whole lot less sensitive and thoughtful about consequences. It’s fortunate in this case she was pulled over before she hurt or injured someone. It’s a horrible evil place when we start punishing people for what could happen. There are all kinds of abuses that can happen. People who want to equate a DUI with actually running into someone and killing them are in very scary places as far as I’m concerned when it comes to any kind of equitable justice system. The punishment for a first offense DUI is usually not too severe for someone who can afford competent legal assistance. In all honesty, the biggest consequence she’ll face more than any other is that she doesn’t get to be a first time offender ever again. Unlike many others, I do not consider the university of Nebraska or the Nebraska volleyball team as a part of the criminal justice system. I do not need to know what consequences she faces from NU or NU volleyball. It’s honestly none of my business. And no, I’m not a Nebraska fan except when they’re getting crushed in national championship matches. I’m a big fan then. IF she had actually hurt someone - which she could have but didn’t - this would be an entirely different conversation. People have strong emotions around this. We now have 3 threads - the main thread dedicated to the issue, the main Nebraska thread, and now this one -where people want to opine about some hypothetical punishment Murray should be getting but won’t because of her status as a star volleyball player at Nebraska. I don’t think it’s any coincidence that Pettit released this podcast when he did, but I do feel like it was an artful attempt to address it without talking about it directly and spiraling everyone into taking sides. I wish it had worked better than it did, but as someone who has contributed to the conversation I’m as guilty as anyone. |
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Post by davebrake38 on Apr 17, 2024 21:44:29 GMT -5
I don't understand The University President will decide." Won't a court of law decide? We all have made mistakes and I hope she gets through this with a lesson learned.
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Post by stanfordvb on Apr 17, 2024 22:30:35 GMT -5
do you think your mother would be proud that you’re cyber bullying in her name??? cited for DUI as well as careless driving, minor in possession, possession of a fake ID and obstructing a peace officer. And she wears your favorite team loud and proud across her chest, and they still fully support her. I believe the words Kelly hunter used were "wrapping our arms around her right now"... you may have to re-evaluate who you cheer for lol |
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Post by nederlander on Apr 18, 2024 2:34:02 GMT -5
Is the podcast still available? The link isn’t working for me.
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Post by slxpress on Apr 18, 2024 4:08:51 GMT -5
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Post by Norah Sus on Apr 18, 2024 8:50:30 GMT -5
Do we really need two threads about Harper Murray’s DUI? One isn’t enough??? Has the issue not been discussed as nauseum already??
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Post by n00b on Apr 18, 2024 9:00:36 GMT -5
i really liked your post for the most part…but (and i don’t follow enough to know if you are a husker fan or just volleyball fan) the point of “she did not actually in fact hurt anyone.” should not be a valid argument or point to make, imvho. if someone shoots a gun at someone but misses, should they not be charged with murder? why is the success of the act the determining factor for the “intent” of the act? if someone climbs behind a wheel of a vehicle and is totally bombed, they need to be responsible for their actions. Murray being a 19 year old should be responsible for her actions and probably will (but non-husker fans will complain the punishment is not harsh enough), i.e. the heavy drinking and then driving. what punishment should she get? the school will probably determine that, and cook will probably have input, but hopefully this young lady will learn from a couple poor decisions that fortunately DIDN’T hurt anyone, or worse. now, on with the spring season…. You lost me on the part where if someone fires a gun at someone they should be charged with murder. I don’t know how to explain this to you, but no, they would be charged at most with attempted murder. Here’s the tricky part. They are only charged with murder if they in fact MURDERED someone. And even then there are all kinds of extenuating circumstances. A key one being intent. Did Harper Murray drink an excessive amount of alcohol and then get behind the wheel of a car with the INTENT to kill or injure someone? I can’t read her mind, but my strongest guess is that no she did not. In all likelihood she was out drinking with people she knew and then got in her car to go home without thinking about the consequences - and if there’s anything drinking does, it makes you a whole lot less sensitive and thoughtful about consequences. It’s fortunate in this case she was pulled over before she hurt or injured someone. It’s a horrible evil place when we start punishing people for what could happen. There are all kinds of abuses that can happen. People who want to equate a DUI with actually running into someone and killing them are in very scary places as far as I’m concerned when it comes to any kind of equitable justice system. The punishment for a first offense DUI is usually not too severe for someone who can afford competent legal assistance. In all honesty, the biggest consequence she’ll face more than any other is that she doesn’t get to be a first time offender ever again. Unlike many others, I do not consider the university of Nebraska or the Nebraska volleyball team as a part of the criminal justice system. I do not need to know what consequences she faces from NU or NU volleyball. It’s honestly none of my business. And no, I’m not a Nebraska fan except when they’re getting crushed in national championship matches. I’m a big fan then. IF she had actually hurt someone - which she could have but didn’t - this would be an entirely different conversation. People have strong emotions around this. We now have 3 threads - the main thread dedicated to the issue, the main Nebraska thread, and now this one -where people want to opine about some hypothetical punishment Murray should be getting but won’t because of her status as a star volleyball player at Nebraska. I don’t think it’s any coincidence that Pettit released this podcast when he did, but I do feel like it was an artful attempt to address it without talking about it directly and spiraling everyone into taking sides. I wish it had worked better than it did, but as someone who has contributed to the conversation I’m as guilty as anyone. I haven’t read a single poster calling her a murderer. The reaction here is 1% of what it would be if she killed somebody. Having the opinion that DUIs should be treated seriously is not the same thing as equating a DUI with manslaughter. I don’t think it’s ok to drive drunk. I don’t think it’s ok for somebody who has only been caught once (the odds that this was actually her first time driving drunk is REALLY low). |
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Post by slxpress on Apr 18, 2024 9:11:20 GMT -5
You lost me on the part where if someone fires a gun at someone they should be charged with murder. I don’t know how to explain this to you, but no, they would be charged at most with attempted murder. Here’s the tricky part. They are only charged with murder if they in fact MURDERED someone. And even then there are all kinds of extenuating circumstances. A key one being intent. Did Harper Murray drink an excessive amount of alcohol and then get behind the wheel of a car with the INTENT to kill or injure someone? I can’t read her mind, but my strongest guess is that no she did not. In all likelihood she was out drinking with people she knew and then got in her car to go home without thinking about the consequences - and if there’s anything drinking does, it makes you a whole lot less sensitive and thoughtful about consequences. It’s fortunate in this case she was pulled over before she hurt or injured someone. It’s a horrible evil place when we start punishing people for what could happen. There are all kinds of abuses that can happen. People who want to equate a DUI with actually running into someone and killing them are in very scary places as far as I’m concerned when it comes to any kind of equitable justice system. The punishment for a first offense DUI is usually not too severe for someone who can afford competent legal assistance. In all honesty, the biggest consequence she’ll face more than any other is that she doesn’t get to be a first time offender ever again. Unlike many others, I do not consider the university of Nebraska or the Nebraska volleyball team as a part of the criminal justice system. I do not need to know what consequences she faces from NU or NU volleyball. It’s honestly none of my business. And no, I’m not a Nebraska fan except when they’re getting crushed in national championship matches. I’m a big fan then. IF she had actually hurt someone - which she could have but didn’t - this would be an entirely different conversation. People have strong emotions around this. We now have 3 threads - the main thread dedicated to the issue, the main Nebraska thread, and now this one -where people want to opine about some hypothetical punishment Murray should be getting but won’t because of her status as a star volleyball player at Nebraska. I don’t think it’s any coincidence that Pettit released this podcast when he did, but I do feel like it was an artful attempt to address it without talking about it directly and spiraling everyone into taking sides. I wish it had worked better than it did, but as someone who has contributed to the conversation I’m as guilty as anyone. I haven’t read a single poster calling her a murderer. The reaction here is 1% of what it would be if she killed somebody. Having the opinion that DUIs should be treated seriously is not the same thing as equating a DUI with manslaughter. I don’t think it’s ok to drive drunk. I don’t think it’s ok for somebody who has only been caught once (the odds that this was actually her first time driving drunk is REALLY low). I was responding to this in the previous post: "if someone shoots a gun at someone but misses, should they not be charged with murder? why is the success of the act the determining factor for the “intent” of the act?" |
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Post by slxpress on Apr 18, 2024 9:22:59 GMT -5
I haven’t read a single poster calling her a murderer. The reaction here is 1% of what it would be if she killed somebody. Having the opinion that DUIs should be treated seriously is not the same thing as equating a DUI with manslaughter. I don’t think it’s ok to drive drunk. I don’t think it’s ok for somebody who has only been caught once (the odds that this was actually her first time driving drunk is REALLY low). Who is saying the arrest shouldn't be treated seriously? There are laws against it for a reason. I'm saying I don't need to be told what the University of Nebraska or the Nebraska volleyball program does about it, as opposed to some kind of announced penalty from either institution. The criminal justice system can provide the consequences. Whatever consequences she faces from the university or volleyball program are none of my business. There are people who are insisting she should be suspended for a few matches or even have her scholarship revoked and kicked off the team. I don't mind if she's suspended for a match or two, but it's none of my business whether it occurs or not. She should be treated like any other first time offender with the means to hire competent legal help. The penalties for first time offenders are not nearly as severe as they are for multiple violations. That's just how it is. I think it should be that way, but we can agree to disagree. I don't think it's the university nor the volleyball program's imperative to make the penalties more severe if we don't approve of what the criminal justice hands down. No where have I defended her driving drunk. You may be right that this might not be her first time, but what if it was? We simply can't assume one way or another. Innocent until proven guilty is an important concept in the legal system. I am perfectly okay with her being suspended for matches. I just don't see it as the necessity others do. Mostly I see it as none of my business. Anything beyond that and I feel like people are getting ridiculous for the sake of virtue signaling and a feeling of self righteousness. |
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Post by n00b on Apr 18, 2024 9:45:55 GMT -5
I haven’t read a single poster calling her a murderer. The reaction here is 1% of what it would be if she killed somebody. Having the opinion that DUIs should be treated seriously is not the same thing as equating a DUI with manslaughter. I don’t think it’s ok to drive drunk. I don’t think it’s ok for somebody who has only been caught once (the odds that this was actually her first time driving drunk is REALLY low). Who is saying the arrest shouldn't be treated seriously? There are laws against it for a reason. I'm saying I don't need to be told what the University of Nebraska or the Nebraska volleyball program does about it, as opposed to some kind of announced penalty from either institution. The criminal justice system can provide the consequences. Whatever consequences she faces from the university or volleyball program are none of my business. There are people who are insisting she should be suspended for a few matches or even have her scholarship revoked and kicked off the team. I don't mind if she's suspended for a match or two, but it's none of my business whether it occurs or not. She should be treated like any other first time offender with the means to hire competent legal help. The penalties for first time offenders are not nearly as severe as they are for multiple violations. That's just how it is. I think it should be that way, but we can agree to disagree. I don't think it's the university nor the volleyball program's imperative to make the penalties more severe if we don't approve of what the criminal justice hands down. No where have I defended her driving drunk. You may be right that this might not be her first time, but what if it was? We simply can't assume one way or another. Innocent until proven guilty is an important concept in the legal system. I am perfectly okay with her being suspended for matches. I just don't see it as the necessity others do. Mostly I see it as none of my business. Anything beyond that and I feel like people are getting ridiculous for the sake of virtue signaling and a feeling of self righteousness. I don't think it's necessary she get suspended from matches either. I DO think that Murray has received a lot of benefit from her fame. A lot of kids know her and look up to her and she has been getting compensated for that. So I do think it should be a big deal on message boards and social media. And I do think it's appropriate to emphasize the seriousness of her crimes. She shouldn't get a harsher sentence legally. I do think that Nebraska should refrain from using her on any promotional materials for the 2024 season. Decline to make her unavailable for media appearances. And cease any support in her finding NIL deals. That's no extra punishment legally than a typical person would get for the first time being caught. But it signals that she is suspended from being the face of Nebraska Volleyball. |
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Post by slxpress on Apr 18, 2024 10:59:06 GMT -5
Who is saying the arrest shouldn't be treated seriously? There are laws against it for a reason. I'm saying I don't need to be told what the University of Nebraska or the Nebraska volleyball program does about it, as opposed to some kind of announced penalty from either institution. The criminal justice system can provide the consequences. Whatever consequences she faces from the university or volleyball program are none of my business. There are people who are insisting she should be suspended for a few matches or even have her scholarship revoked and kicked off the team. I don't mind if she's suspended for a match or two, but it's none of my business whether it occurs or not. She should be treated like any other first time offender with the means to hire competent legal help. The penalties for first time offenders are not nearly as severe as they are for multiple violations. That's just how it is. I think it should be that way, but we can agree to disagree. I don't think it's the university nor the volleyball program's imperative to make the penalties more severe if we don't approve of what the criminal justice hands down. No where have I defended her driving drunk. You may be right that this might not be her first time, but what if it was? We simply can't assume one way or another. Innocent until proven guilty is an important concept in the legal system. I am perfectly okay with her being suspended for matches. I just don't see it as the necessity others do. Mostly I see it as none of my business. Anything beyond that and I feel like people are getting ridiculous for the sake of virtue signaling and a feeling of self righteousness. I don't think it's necessary she get suspended from matches either. I DO think that Murray has received a lot of benefit from her fame. A lot of kids know her and look up to her and she has been getting compensated for that. So I do think it should be a big deal on message boards and social media. And I do think it's appropriate to emphasize the seriousness of her crimes. She shouldn't get a harsher sentence legally. I do think that Nebraska should refrain from using her on any promotional materials for the 2024 season. Decline to make her unavailable for media appearances. And cease any support in her finding NIL deals. That's no extra punishment legally than a typical person would get for the first time being caught. But it signals that she is suspended from being the face of Nebraska Volleyball. I don’t have strong thoughts on any of those things. We don’t even know the extent of any of that, so it becomes a matter of projection in terms of what benefits she receives or how support for it should be taken away. My biggest point is that it’s none of our business to know any of that. People want her to be held publicly accountable in some way. I do not consider it NU or NU volleyball’s responsibility to tell all of us what they have or have not done. It doesn’t mean we can’t have opinions on what should be done. But it’s up to the criminal justice system to hand down the penalty. What anyone else wants is a matter of opinion, but not some kind of moral obligation. |
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Post by northwoods on Apr 18, 2024 13:03:23 GMT -5
I thought it was an odd choice by Cook to exclude Beason from the post-final press conference. She gave a pretty good interview outside the official NCAA presser and would have represented the program better than Murray and Allick who were clearly still in their emotions after the loss.
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