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Post by eyeroll2021 on Apr 17, 2024 11:10:01 GMT -5
If we're counting retired coaches, Russ Rose is in a tier by himself. Russ Rose would likely be on everyone's top 5, but he's not in a "tier by himself". Why, who else has 7 NCAA titles, including a 4-peat, and is the all-time winningest coach in NCAA volleyball?
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 17, 2024 11:31:25 GMT -5
Russ Rose would likely be on everyone's top 5, but he's not in a "tier by himself". Why, who else has 7 NCAA titles, including a 4-peat, and is the all-time winningest coach in NCAA volleyball? The question is, what puts him in a tier by himself? He had a spectacular stretch from 2007-2010 that might never be matched, but he also had an extremely long career, with stretches that didn't approach that one period of success. Other things to consider are how much did he innovate, did he fundamentally change the way the game is played, did he develop players in ways or to levels no one else did? It's completely reasonable to consider him the best to coach the college game, but a "tier by himself" seems a bit much.
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Post by jwvolley on Apr 17, 2024 11:38:49 GMT -5
Why, who else has 7 NCAA titles, including a 4-peat, and is the all-time winningest coach in NCAA volleyball? Other things to consider are how much did he innovate.
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 17, 2024 11:40:45 GMT -5
If we're counting retired coaches, Russ Rose is in a tier by himself. Russ Rose would likely be on everyone's top 5, but he's not in a "tier by himself". You're entitled to your wrong opinion.
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 17, 2024 11:41:21 GMT -5
Russ Rose would likely be on everyone's top 5, but he's not in a "tier by himself". Why, who else has 7 NCAA titles, including a 4-peat, and is the all-time winningest coach in NCAA volleyball? Not only that, but Rose built the program from nothing. Pretty much all the other contenders were at places that already had success beforehand. Edit: I'm guessing he also thinks that Michael Jordan, Babe Ruth, Wayne Gretzky, Tom Brady and Novak Djokovic are merely in the top five in their sports.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Apr 17, 2024 11:41:52 GMT -5
Other things to consider are how much did he innovate. Russ rose walking in cause hes in a tier of his own.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Apr 17, 2024 11:44:32 GMT -5
Why, who else has 7 NCAA titles, including a 4-peat, and is the all-time winningest coach in NCAA volleyball? Not only that, but Rose built the program from nothing. Pretty much all the other contenders were at places that already had success beforehand. Brian G? Shoji? All had a program that had a "History" of success? Andi B did as well? I mean russ clearly is amazing. But there is more to being a coach than a four year period of winning. Volleyguy asked you detailed questions on what it takes more to being a good coach. and they were not answered.
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Post by madden55 on Apr 17, 2024 11:50:03 GMT -5
Need some of this energy in the comment section of the post ! Lmaoooo
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 17, 2024 12:03:38 GMT -5
Why, who else has 7 NCAA titles, including a 4-peat, and is the all-time winningest coach in NCAA volleyball? Not only that, but Rose built the program from nothing. Pretty much all the other contenders were at places that already had success beforehand. Edit: I'm guessing he also thinks that Michael Jordan, Babe Ruth, Wayne Gretzky, Tom Brady and Novak Djokovic are merely in the top five in their sports. Those are players, not coaches. I guess you don't understand the difference. I don't think there's a college vb coach in a tier by themselves. For a while that was said about Wooden (who would clearly merit that argument even more than Rose), but even that's debatable. And Dunning and Pettit both started programs from nothing, and had much more earlier success than Rose did. But, again, the point isn't whether Rose was a great college coach, it's whether saying he is in a "tier by himself" is a bit hyperbolic or accurate.
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Post by eyeroll2021 on Apr 17, 2024 12:05:51 GMT -5
Why, who else has 7 NCAA titles, including a 4-peat, and is the all-time winningest coach in NCAA volleyball? Not only that, but Rose built the program from nothing. Pretty much all the other contenders were at places that already had success beforehand. Edit: I'm guessing he also thinks that Michael Jordan, Babe Ruth, Wayne Gretzky, Tom Brady and Novak Djokovic are merely in the top five in their sports. Citing Novak is just pandering to Madden
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Post by nellynel on Apr 17, 2024 12:06:19 GMT -5
I’m sorry but picking Elliot over cook for this list is wild and I don’t particularly care for either of them at all so I feel I’m pretty unbiased in this case. Anyway If yall wanna help me out and bring some of the discussion to the comment section of the post I’d love it Whats wild about it? I don’t mind if someone thinks Cook is better, especially if this is a career thing, but… Elliot is 11-4 in their last 15 matchups. During that time Elliot has 3 NC’s and 4 runner ups. Cook has 2 NC’s and 3 runner ups. Elliot is 5-2 in the tournament vs Cook during that same period. Not wild at all if you’re looking at more recent history. You could easily argue Elliot has been better during that period.
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 17, 2024 12:17:44 GMT -5
Not only that, but Rose built the program from nothing. Pretty much all the other contenders were at places that already had success beforehand. Edit: I'm guessing he also thinks that Michael Jordan, Babe Ruth, Wayne Gretzky, Tom Brady and Novak Djokovic are merely in the top five in their sports. Citing Novak is just pandering to Madden I mean, Djokovic is the GOAT. It has nothing to do with Madden. Novak is my favorite individual athlete of all time (Michael Jordan is my favorite team athlete). I'm just being objective. As a Steelers fan, it makes me very unhappy that Tom Brady is the GOAT in football, but it is what it is.
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Post by eyeroll2021 on Apr 17, 2024 12:21:33 GMT -5
Citing Novak is just pandering to Madden I mean, Djokovic is the GOAT. It has nothing to do with Madden. Novak my favorite individual athlete of all time (Michael Jordan is my favorite team athlete). I'm just being objective. As a Steelers fan, it makes me very unhappy that Tom Brady is the GOAT in football, but it is what it is. Ehhhh, technology matters so much in tennis. It's not really apples to apples to compare Novak to Borg or McEnroe. If Novak could do what he's done with a wooden racket, that would be a different argument. It's easier to make a GOAT pick in sports where the equipment hasn't really changed that much over the years - basketball, football, hockey, baseball
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 17, 2024 12:22:29 GMT -5
I mean, Djokovic is the GOAT. It has nothing to do with Madden. Novak my favorite individual athlete of all time (Michael Jordan is my favorite team athlete). I'm just being objective. As a Steelers fan, it makes me very unhappy that Tom Brady is the GOAT in football, but it is what it is. Ehhhh, technology matters so much in tennis. It's not really apples to apples to compare Novak to Borg or McEnroe. If Novak could do what he's done with a wooden racket, that would be a different argument By that logic, we can't compare any athletes that played in different eras.
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Post by eyeroll2021 on Apr 17, 2024 12:25:14 GMT -5
Ehhhh, technology matters so much in tennis. It's not really apples to apples to compare Novak to Borg or McEnroe. If Novak could do what he's done with a wooden racket, that would be a different argument By that logic, we can't compare any athletes that played in different eras. I edited my previous post, but it's easier to make GOAT arguments in sports where the equipment hasn't changed that much - basketball, football, soccer, hockey, baseball. But you can't argue that whatever Novak's using these days isn't lightyears ahead of wooden rackets in terms of generating power, accuracy, minimizing wear and tear on bodies etc. Just hold up a modern racket against a wooden one (if you can even find one). The modern racket has like 2.5x surface area and weighs 50% less, tension, etc
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