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Post by 1volleyfan on Aug 25, 2024 11:40:52 GMT -5
As someone who follows college and club volleyball but isn’t familiar with all the intricate details of eligibility can someone explain redshirting to me?
I always thought it meant a player would be rostered but not play in games. The purpose of that year was usually because a player might be on the younger side (before the days of reclassing kids for sports became common) or needed time to develop for various reasons etc.
Sometimes lately though I see rosters with quite a few redshirts that play in games. Am I reading that right?
Also on a somewhat related topic, under the new 18 roster cap, will the redshirts still count as one of the 18?
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Post by haterade on Aug 25, 2024 11:53:07 GMT -5
As someone who follows college and club volleyball but isn’t familiar with all the intricate details of eligibility can someone explain redshirting to me? I always thought it meant a player would be rostered but not play in games. The purpose of that year was usually because a player might be on the younger side (before the days of reclassing kids for sports became common) or needed time to develop for various reasons etc. Sometimes lately though I see rosters with quite a few redshirts that play in games. Am I reading that right? Also on a somewhat related topic, under the new 18 roster cap, will the redshirts still count as one of the 18? There is an in-depth discussion on the Texas recruiting thread a few pages back. Id encourage you to review that as well. Other sports have a participation threshold. Volleyball does not. A football player can appear in 4 games and still not have that season count toward their 4 years of eligibility. A volleyball cannot appear at all. The term redshirt is a bit of a misnomer. You have 5 years to use your 4 years of eligibility. All the other scenarios are discussed at length in the Texas recruiting thread Roster limit includes everyone. Regardless of playing status. |
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Post by axelfoley on Aug 25, 2024 11:53:52 GMT -5
As someone who follows college and club volleyball but isn’t familiar with all the intricate details of eligibility can someone explain redshirting to me? I always thought it meant a player would be rostered but not play in games. The purpose of that year was usually because a player might be on the younger side (before the days of reclassing kids for sports became common) or needed time to develop for various reasons etc. Sometimes lately though I see rosters with quite a few redshirts that play in games. Am I reading that right? Also on a somewhat related topic, under the new 18 roster cap, will the redshirts still count as one of the 18? If you play in even one set you are unable to redshirt unless you get injured and granted a medical redshirt. It’s not like football where you can still play in a certain number of contests. |
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Post by stevehorn on Aug 25, 2024 12:01:25 GMT -5
As someone who follows college and club volleyball but isn’t familiar with all the intricate details of eligibility can someone explain redshirting to me? I always thought it meant a player would be rostered but not play in games. The purpose of that year was usually because a player might be on the younger side (before the days of reclassing kids for sports became common) or needed time to develop for various reasons etc. Sometimes lately though I see rosters with quite a few redshirts that play in games. Am I reading that right? Also on a somewhat related topic, under the new 18 roster cap, will the redshirts still count as one of the 18? Your definition of a "normal" redshirt is correct. In volleyball, they cannot play in any regular season or post season games in order to redshirt that season. Just because it's that time of the year, they can play in an exhibition games or an inter-squad scrimmage and still be eligible to redshirt that season. A guess as to what you may be seeing is the impact of the COVID year. Schools have not been consistent in how they show the eligibility classification of players that have a COVID year available. Many schools have been showing those players as a redshirt. As an example, a 2020 recruit has played four seasons (2020 thru 2023), but is getting another year of eligibility for the 2020-21 COVID season. A lot of schools are showing that player as a redshirt senior even though they never actually redshirted any year. Another situation may be those players that played in a handful of games and then suffered a season ending injury. If they meet the criteria, that year will not count as a year of eligibility so the impact will be like a redshirt year. Typically most schools will show the classification of that player as a redshirt. Redshirts will count toward the 18 roster limit. Any player in the program will count toward the roster regardless of whether they play in games. As others have posted, football does allow a player to play in up to 4 games and still be eligible for a redshirt year. It is the only sport that does allow some participation and still be eligible to redshirt. |
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Post by JT on Aug 25, 2024 14:58:51 GMT -5
As someone who follows college and club volleyball but isn’t familiar with all the intricate details of eligibility can someone explain redshirting to me? I always thought it meant a player would be rostered but not play in games. The purpose of that year was usually because a player might be on the younger side (before the days of reclassing kids for sports became common) or needed time to develop for various reasons etc. Sometimes lately though I see rosters with quite a few redshirts that play in games. Am I reading that right? Also on a somewhat related topic, under the new 18 roster cap, will the redshirts still count as one of the 18? See above answers as well, but when you see rosters listing redshirt athletes who are playing, what you’re confused by are the roster listings. When an athlete is listed as (e.g.) a “redshirt-sophomore” it means they have redshirted one year, have played for one year, and are now playing in their second year. It could be “redshirt, play, play.” It could be “play, redshirt, play.” But they are in their 3rd of 5 years of eligibility, and their 2nd of 4 for active play. The Covid exception year is *almost* over after this year. Athletes who were rostered in the 2020 VB season that was played in Spring-2021 don’t have to count it as anything. It is normally being described as either a redshirt year, *or* the athlete is listed as a (Gr)aduate for their 5th year. |
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Post by vbruh on Aug 25, 2024 15:47:54 GMT -5
As someone who follows college and club volleyball but isn’t familiar with all the intricate details of eligibility can someone explain redshirting to me? I always thought it meant a player would be rostered but not play in games. The purpose of that year was usually because a player might be on the younger side (before the days of reclassing kids for sports became common) or needed time to develop for various reasons etc. Sometimes lately though I see rosters with quite a few redshirts that play in games. Am I reading that right? Also on a somewhat related topic, under the new 18 roster cap, will the redshirts still count as one of the 18? See above answers as well, but when you see rosters listing redshirt athletes who are playing, what you’re confused by are the roster listings. When an athlete is listed as (e.g.) a “redshirt-sophomore” it means they have redshirted one year, have played for one year, and are now playing in their second year. It could be “redshirt, play, play.” It could be “play, redshirt, play.” But they are in their 3rd of 5 years of eligibility, and their 2nd of 4 for active play. The Covid exception year is *almost* over after this year. Athletes who were rostered in the 2020 VB season that was played in Spring-2021 don’t have to count it as anything. It is normally being described as either a redshirt year, *or* the athlete is listed as a (Gr)aduate for their 5th year. Well said. Because the players are only eligible for an additional year, it would save a lot of confusion to merely list their Academic year, and if redshirt eligible add “+1” like so Alexis Stucky, Setter, Sophomore +1 |
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Post by Fight On! on Aug 25, 2024 15:50:48 GMT -5
It’s important to note that someone doesn’t have to declare that they plan to redshirt. If they didn’t play, that’s the designation automatically given (with the exception of the medical hardship waiver).
So, Suzy has every intention to play and competes for her spot every day in practice but she never cracks the lineup and doesn’t play in competition - she gets a redshirt season (i.e., she hasn’t used one of her 4 years of eligibility.
For example, Adonia F. at USC had not played all season her freshman year until Mia T. got hurt at the end of the regular season. Adonia would have had a redshirt season but then she played the last regular season match against UCLA and burned her redshirt. The next year she didn’t play a point because she was hurt. So, she’s a Redshirt Junior, meaning she has used one year of her four and then had a year that didn’t count against it. So she can play this year and for two more.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 25, 2024 17:23:46 GMT -5
So, Suzy has every intention to play and competes for her spot every day in practice but she never cracks the lineup and doesn’t play in competition - she gets a redshirt season (i.e., she hasn’t used one of her 4 years of eligibility. I'm pretty sure it's a lot more common that the staff and the player agree to redshirt, but that the player is also expected to be ready to play in case they need to "burn" the redshirt due to unforseen circumstances. (Non-medical) redshirt seasons don't just happen by chance. Interestingly enough, a redshirt season can lead to the player perhaps graduating in four years and then leaving the program, but still having a year of eligibility left for a new grad school. So sometimes it can work more to the benefit of the player than to the benefit of the program that redshirts them. |
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Post by Fight On! on Aug 25, 2024 17:30:55 GMT -5
So, Suzy has every intention to play and competes for her spot every day in practice but she never cracks the lineup and doesn’t play in competition - she gets a redshirt season (i.e., she hasn’t used one of her 4 years of eligibility. I'm pretty sure it's a lot more common that the staff and the player agree to redshirt, but that the player is also expected to be ready to play in case they need to "burn" the redshirt due to unforseen circumstances. (Non-medical) redshirt seasons don't just happen by chance. Interestingly enough, a redshirt season can lead to the player perhaps graduating in four years and then leaving the program, but still having a year of eligibility left for a new grad school. So sometimes it can work more to the benefit of the player than to the benefit of the program that redshirts them. The OP asked to understand redshirt rules. I helped explain something that was not properly covered yet in the thread. |
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Post by 1volleyfan on Aug 25, 2024 17:44:14 GMT -5
It’s important to note that someone doesn’t have to declare that they plan to redshirt. If they didn’t play, that’s the designation automatically given (with the exception of the medical hardship waiver). So, Suzy has every intention to play and competes for her spot every day in practice but she never cracks the lineup and doesn’t play in competition - she gets a redshirt season (i.e., she hasn’t used one of her 4 years of eligibility. For example, Adonia F. at USC had not played all season her freshman year until Mia T. got hurt at the end of the regular season. Adonia would have had a redshirt season but then she played the last regular season match against UCLA and burned her redshirt. The next year she didn’t play a point because she was hurt. So, she’s a Redshirt Junior, meaning she has used one year of her four and then had a year that didn’t count against it. So she can play this year and for two more. Thank you to everyone who commented! Lots of good info. I think a few takeaways and feel free to correct me if I’m wrong (this is just for volleyball purposes not football etc where there may be different rules): 1) Redshirts can play in non-con exhibition games just not conference etc. and still be in compliance 2) Some confusion arises because of the way schools list a player on the roster. So if a player redshirts freshman year, then the next year, is she listed as a freshman or a sophomore on the roster? Or is she now a redshirt sophomore? Academically she is a sophomore (assuming she took a full course load) but she’s got 4 years of eligibility so she’s listed as a Freshman on the roster? This is where it gets confusing I think. Since we are using USC as an example above I’ll use a random player on that roster. Tyrah Ariall. Here is her bio. 2021-freshman- played 2022-Injured did not play (medical redshirt) 2023-redshirt sophmore-played 2024-redshirt Junior So they are just making the point that she is in her 3rd year of eligibility but technically is in her 4th year of school. Is that right? Sorry if the above is confusing I’m genuinely curious as to how this all works |
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Post by Fight On! on Aug 25, 2024 17:53:39 GMT -5
It’s important to note that someone doesn’t have to declare that they plan to redshirt. If they didn’t play, that’s the designation automatically given (with the exception of the medical hardship waiver). So, Suzy has every intention to play and competes for her spot every day in practice but she never cracks the lineup and doesn’t play in competition - she gets a redshirt season (i.e., she hasn’t used one of her 4 years of eligibility. For example, Adonia F. at USC had not played all season her freshman year until Mia T. got hurt at the end of the regular season. Adonia would have had a redshirt season but then she played the last regular season match against UCLA and burned her redshirt. The next year she didn’t play a point because she was hurt. So, she’s a Redshirt Junior, meaning she has used one year of her four and then had a year that didn’t count against it. So she can play this year and for two more. Thank you to everyone who commented! Lots of good info. I think a few takeaways and feel free to correct me if I’m wrong (this is just for volleyball purposes not football etc where there may be different rules): 1) Redshirts can play in non-con exhibition games just not conference etc. and still be in compliance 2) Some confusion arises because of the way schools list a player on the roster. So if a player redshirts freshman year, then the next year, is she listed as a freshman or a sophomore on the roster? Or is she now a redshirt sophomore? Academically she is a sophomore (assuming she took a full course load) but she’s got 4 years of eligibility so she’s listed as a Freshman on the roster? This is where it gets confusing I think. Since we are using USC as an example above I’ll use a random player on that roster. Tyrah Ariall. Here is her bio. 2021-freshman- played 2022-Injured did not play (medical redshirt) 2023-redshirt sophmore-played 2024-redshirt Junior So they are just making the point that she is in her 3rd year of eligibility but technically is in her 4th year of school. Is that right? Sorry if the above is confusing I’m genuinely curious as to how this all works 1 - Non-con and exhibition are different. Non-con and is the first four weeks or the season and does count as competition. 2 - A redshirt sophomore is a third year student who had one redshirt year and one year in which she played. The next year she is a redshirt junior, like Airial. Some schools just don’t do a great job of listing eligibility year on the website and the COVID year confused things more. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 25, 2024 17:57:28 GMT -5
It’s important to note that someone doesn’t have to declare that they plan to redshirt. If they didn’t play, that’s the designation automatically given (with the exception of the medical hardship waiver). So, Suzy has every intention to play and competes for her spot every day in practice but she never cracks the lineup and doesn’t play in competition - she gets a redshirt season (i.e., she hasn’t used one of her 4 years of eligibility. For example, Adonia F. at USC had not played all season her freshman year until Mia T. got hurt at the end of the regular season. Adonia would have had a redshirt season but then she played the last regular season match against UCLA and burned her redshirt. The next year she didn’t play a point because she was hurt. So, she’s a Redshirt Junior, meaning she has used one year of her four and then had a year that didn’t count against it. So she can play this year and for two more. Thank you to everyone who commented! Lots of good info. I think a few takeaways and feel free to correct me if I’m wrong (this is just for volleyball purposes not football etc where there may be different rules): 1) Redshirts can play in non-con exhibition games just not conference etc. and still be in compliance 2) Some confusion arises because of the way schools list a player on the roster. So if a player redshirts freshman year, then the next year, is she listed as a freshman or a sophomore on the roster? Or is she now a redshirt sophomore? Academically she is a sophomore (assuming she took a full course load) but she’s got 4 years of eligibility so she’s listed as a Freshman on the roster? This is where it gets confusing I think. Since we are using USC as an example above I’ll use a random player on that roster. Tyrah Ariall. Here is her bio. 2021-freshman- played 2022-Injured did not play (medical redshirt) 2023-redshirt sophmore-played 2024-redshirt Junior So they are just making the point that she is in her 3rd year of eligibility but technically is in her 4th year of school. Is that right? Sorry if the above is confusing I’m genuinely curious as to how this all works There are no real rules for how teams list players on rosters. Consider a player who redshirted one year and played one year. It is now the third year. Some schools will list her as a "redshirt sophomore". Others will just list her as a "sophomore". Neither one is wrong, per se. Some schools will list players as "redshirt freshman" but not bother to list "redshirt sophomore" or "redshirt senior". Typically it is more significant to know whether a player has been in the program 1 year versus 0 years rather than 5 years versus 4 years. |
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Aug 25, 2024 18:03:57 GMT -5
Has a volleyball player ever been "grey-shirted"?
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 25, 2024 18:04:49 GMT -5
Has a volleyball player ever been "grey-shirted"? Yes. I can think of several. In case people don't know the term, that means enrolling in the spring, rather than the fall. So you are in the program for the spring practices and spring season before you enter your freshman season. |
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Post by stevehorn on Aug 25, 2024 18:09:21 GMT -5
It’s important to note that someone doesn’t have to declare that they plan to redshirt. If they didn’t play, that’s the designation automatically given (with the exception of the medical hardship waiver). So, Suzy has every intention to play and competes for her spot every day in practice but she never cracks the lineup and doesn’t play in competition - she gets a redshirt season (i.e., she hasn’t used one of her 4 years of eligibility. For example, Adonia F. at USC had not played all season her freshman year until Mia T. got hurt at the end of the regular season. Adonia would have had a redshirt season but then she played the last regular season match against UCLA and burned her redshirt. The next year she didn’t play a point because she was hurt. So, she’s a Redshirt Junior, meaning she has used one year of her four and then had a year that didn’t count against it. So she can play this year and for two more. Thank you to everyone who commented! Lots of good info. I think a few takeaways and feel free to correct me if I’m wrong (this is just for volleyball purposes not football etc where there may be different rules): 1) Redshirts can play in non-con exhibition games just not conference etc. and still be in compliance 2) Some confusion arises because of the way schools list a player on the roster. So if a player redshirts freshman year, then the next year, is she listed as a freshman or a sophomore on the roster? Or is she now a redshirt sophomore? Academically she is a sophomore (assuming she took a full course load) but she’s got 4 years of eligibility so she’s listed as a Freshman on the roster? This is where it gets confusing I think. Since we are using USC as an example above I’ll use a random player on that roster. Tyrah Ariall. Here is her bio. 2021-freshman- played 2022-Injured did not play (medical redshirt) 2023-redshirt sophmore-played 2024-redshirt Junior So they are just making the point that she is in her 3rd year of eligibility but technically is in her 4th year of school. Is that right? Sorry if the above is confusing I’m genuinely curious as to how this all works Just a couple of notes. 1. Redshirts cannot play in any regular season match (includes both non-conference and conference) or any post season match. Exhibition matches occur before the start of the regular season (most were this weekend or this past week) and I believe teams can only play one exhibition match against another school. 2. In your example, the player would typically be listed as a redshirt freshman for her second year which indicates that she redshirted her true freshman year and still has four years of eligibility left. You are interpreting correctly the four year period for the USC player. The class indicates the number of years of eligiblity and the redshirt indicates that she did not play (redshirted) one year. For example, a player just listed as a junior would be in their third year of eligibility and also their third year of school. A player listed as a redshirt junior would be in their third year of eligibility, but their fourth year of school. |
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