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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Aug 25, 2024 18:21:13 GMT -5
Has a volleyball player ever been "grey-shirted"? Yes. I can think of several. In case people don't know the term, that means enrolling in the spring, rather than the fall. So you are in the program for the spring practices and spring season before you enter your freshman season. Not exactly. In football it's sitting out the fall after your senior year of HS, then enrolling in the spring so that your five years of eligibility start a year later. An Ohio State example, QBs Braxton Miller and Cardale Jones were in the same HS class, so they grey shirted and red shirted Cardale Jones in order to put him two years behind Braxton Miller's collegiate eligibility.
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Post by JT on Aug 25, 2024 18:25:53 GMT -5
It’s important to note that someone doesn’t have to declare that they plan to redshirt. If they didn’t play, that’s the designation automatically given (with the exception of the medical hardship waiver). So, Suzy has every intention to play and competes for her spot every day in practice but she never cracks the lineup and doesn’t play in competition - she gets a redshirt season (i.e., she hasn’t used one of her 4 years of eligibility. For example, Adonia F. at USC had not played all season her freshman year until Mia T. got hurt at the end of the regular season. Adonia would have had a redshirt season but then she played the last regular season match against UCLA and burned her redshirt. The next year she didn’t play a point because she was hurt. So, she’s a Redshirt Junior, meaning she has used one year of her four and then had a year that didn’t count against it. So she can play this year and for two more. Thank you to everyone who commented! Lots of good info. I think a few takeaways and feel free to correct me if I’m wrong (this is just for volleyball purposes not football etc where there may be different rules): 1) Redshirts can play in non-con exhibition games just not conference etc. and still be in compliance 2) Some confusion arises because of the way schools list a player on the roster. So if a player redshirts freshman year, then the next year, is she listed as a freshman or a sophomore on the roster? Or is she now a redshirt sophomore? Academically she is a sophomore (assuming she took a full course load) but she’s got 4 years of eligibility so she’s listed as a Freshman on the roster? This is where it gets confusing I think. Since we are using USC as an example above I’ll use a random player on that roster. Tyrah Ariall. Here is her bio. 2021-freshman- played 2022-Injured did not play (medical redshirt) 2023-redshirt sophmore-played 2024-redshirt Junior So they are just making the point that she is in her 3rd year of eligibility but technically is in her 4th year of school. Is that right? Sorry if the above is confusing I’m genuinely curious as to how this all works As others noted, “exhibition” is the only match play (within the main season) that doesn’t matter. Non-conference matches count to the school’s record, so they count as play. It hasn’t come up yet (I don’t think) but to be complete and pedantic, the spring season in VB doesn’t count toward eligibility. It’s why an incoming freshman can enroll early, and play in the spring, without having it count as their first year. An athlete who gets a medical redshirt for being injured in the fall (before 30% of the season was up) can play in the spring, and not lose that redshirt status. If an athlete doesn’t play at all in, say, their first year, the school may just call them a Sophomore on the roster. They could then go and become a Junior their next year, and then a Senior in their fourth year. If, after that, they decide to stay on and play, and the school is okay with having them, the roster will (probably) list her as a redshirt senior, but might/could list her as a Grad, or (I think I’ve seen this, but rarely) “5th.” All are equivalent. If, after this athlete doesn’t play in her first year, the school lists her as a R-Freshman for her second year, it’s *likely* an indication that she, and the school, have talked about it, and are already planning on her playing for the next four years. Either party can change their mind, of course, unless there’s a contract signed or written promise made. Ignoring the Covid rule which is almost done, a student-athlete has five years of eligibility (she can appeal to the NCAA for more, if there are extenuating circumstances) before she is 25(?) years old. In those five years, she can *play* for up to four years in any particular sport, and can appear on the roster for five. It’s uncommon, but an athlete *could* play four years in one sport, and then use her fifth and final year of eligibility to play in a different sport. (Minnesota’s Kelly Roysland played four years of BB, and then used her fifth year of eligibility to play VB.) There’s some rule governing indoor and beach VB… I *think* you can play beach, and if you’re on the indoor roster, the participation in beach doesn’t matter for anything, regarding eligibility. (I think.)
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Post by stevehorn on Aug 25, 2024 18:26:41 GMT -5
Has a volleyball player ever been "grey-shirted"? Ironically, that's a term that seemingly has disappeared in the years since COVID and the elimination of the yearly football scholarship limit. Realistically the possibility only exists in fall sports and it was discussed primarily with football recruiting. From my years of following football recruiting, it always seemed to be discussed much more as a possibility by fans (especially when your team was close to the ship limit) than actually occurred. I heard of very few recruits that actually agreed to be a grey shirt. Usually most grey shirts that did happen were due to high school injuries where a recruit probably wouldn't be able to play as a college freshman.
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Post by stevehorn on Aug 25, 2024 19:10:10 GMT -5
Yes. I can think of several. In case people don't know the term, that means enrolling in the spring, rather than the fall. So you are in the program for the spring practices and spring season before you enter your freshman season. Not exactly. In football it's sitting out the fall after your senior year of HS, then enrolling in the spring so that your five years of eligibility start a year later. An Ohio State example, QBs Braxton Miller and Cardale Jones were in the same HS class, so they grey shirted and red shirted Cardale Jones in order to put him two years behind Braxton Miller's collegiate eligibility. Ironically, Miller and Jones then ended up being in the same NFL draft.
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Post by johnwwool on Aug 25, 2024 19:14:51 GMT -5
Has a volleyball player ever been "grey-shirted"? Yes. I can think of several. In case people don't know the term, that means enrolling in the spring, rather than the fall. So you are in the program for the spring practices and spring season before you enter your freshman season. It seems like grey shirts are getting more and more common across fall sports.
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Post by stevehorn on Aug 25, 2024 19:26:57 GMT -5
Yes. I can think of several. In case people don't know the term, that means enrolling in the spring, rather than the fall. So you are in the program for the spring practices and spring season before you enter your freshman season. It seems like grey shirts are getting more and more common across fall sports. Early enrollees are not "grey shirts". If a player graduates from high school after the fall semester of their senior year and enrolls in college in the spring, they are commonly called early enrollees. A grey shirt graduates from high school at the typical time (after spring semester of their senior year), doesn't go to college the fall semester, and then starts college in the spring.
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Post by johnwwool on Aug 25, 2024 19:29:39 GMT -5
It seems like grey shirts are getting more and more common across fall sports. Early enrollees are not "grey shirts". If a player graduates from high school after the fall semester of their senior year and enrolls in college in the spring, they are commonly called early enrollees. A grey shirt graduates from high school at the typical time (after spring semester of their senior year), doesn't go to college the fall semester, and then starts college in the spring. wait, you have it right. i had it backwards.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Aug 25, 2024 20:41:15 GMT -5
So, Suzy has every intention to play and competes for her spot every day in practice but she never cracks the lineup and doesn’t play in competition - she gets a redshirt season (i.e., she hasn’t used one of her 4 years of eligibility. It is at the discretion of the coach/school whether they will honor a fifth year or not - it is not automatic. If graduated, they need to be in grad school.
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Post by Fight On! on Aug 25, 2024 20:45:13 GMT -5
So, Suzy has every intention to play and competes for her spot every day in practice but she never cracks the lineup and doesn’t play in competition - she gets a redshirt season (i.e., she hasn’t used one of her 4 years of eligibility. It is at the discretion of the coach/school whether they will honor a fifth year or not - it is not automatic. If graduated, they need to be in grad school. I never said she got an extra year at that school. I said she would be considered as having redshirted.
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Post by dodger on Aug 25, 2024 20:54:58 GMT -5
It is at the discretion of the coach/school whether they will honor a fifth year or not - it is not automatic. If graduated, they need to be in grad school. I never said she got an extra at that school. I said she would be considered as having redshirted. You have 5 years of eligibility to play for 4 years! You can sit out any of the first 4 years and get to play the 5th. You have to be in school. Either completing under grad, grad school or completing a certification program! You can get 6th and 7th maybe more for other reasons: leave during your 5 years for a mission (BYU), leave for military (serve army) get out come back: get hurt 3 x’s in first half of season and miss remainder of season and get a medical waiver. Pregnancy gets automatic 1 additional year. Might have forgotten what else?
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Post by redbeard2008 on Aug 25, 2024 20:55:03 GMT -5
Has a volleyball player ever been "grey-shirted"? Kaleigh Nelson at U-Dub: 2010: Graduated HS 2011: Delayed enrollment until Winter or Spring of 2011, played as a freshman in the Fall.
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Post by Fight On! on Aug 25, 2024 20:58:14 GMT -5
I never said she got an extra at that school. I said she would be considered as having redshirted. You have 5 years of eligibility to play for 4 years! You can sit out any of the first 4 years and get to play the 5th. You have to be in school. Either completing under grad, grad school or completing a certification program! You can get 6th and 7th maybe more for other reasons: leave during your 5 years for a mission (BYU), leave for military (serve army) get out come back: get hurt 3 x’s in first half of season and miss remainder of season and get a medical waiver. Pregnancy gets automatic 1 additional year. Might have forgotten what else? Why are you quoting me?
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Post by mplsgopher on Aug 25, 2024 20:58:47 GMT -5
You have four years of eligibility.
You have five calendar years to complete those four years of eligibility.
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Post by dodger on Aug 25, 2024 21:04:03 GMT -5
You have four years of eligibility. You have five calendar years to complete those four years of eligibility. Actual language from my ncaa manula; “Division I five-year clock: If you play at a Division I school, you have five-calendar years in which to play four seasons of competition. Your five-year clock starts when you enroll as a full-time student at any college.”
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Post by mplsgopher on Aug 25, 2024 21:06:07 GMT -5
You have four years of eligibility. You have five calendar years to complete those four years of eligibility. Actual language from my ncaa manula; “Division I five-year clock: If you play at a Division I school, you have five-calendar years in which to play four seasons of competition. Your five-year clock starts when you enroll as a full-time student at any college.” Yes. This language confirms what I wrote.
Manula or no.
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