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Post by GrowingTheGame14 on Sept 24, 2024 15:26:53 GMT -5
This may be a unique, hot take out there but sanctioning a sport at high school level is not all sunshine and rainbows. I am curious to the following rules that other governing bodies have in sanctioning states... Trying to create information to take back to the IHSAA (indiana) as they are getting very restrictive on their rules.
1) What game ball do state's use for the tournament? (Indiana will now use the K1 Wilson ball)
2) When do your season's begin? (indiana now begins March 10th rather than February 27th in the past)
3) When do your state tournaments end? (Indiana is now 5/31 compared to Memorial Day weekend)
4) What rules do your governing bodies have that impact travel club? For instance, High School Coaches cannot coach their athletes from their schools, and no more than 3 kids from the same high school can compete on a club team.
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Post by couchanalyst on Sept 24, 2024 16:44:14 GMT -5
1) Game ball, must have the NFHS logo, in our state the org has a deal with Wilson as well and we basically all use K1 Wilsons, but the home team could choose to use something else. California schools use Molten Pro Touch at least in the south and it used to be the NCAA mens ball before Flistatec apparently.
2) Tryouts start 2/24, first matches can be played 3/3.
3) State tournaments end on 5/17 for the largest schools.
4) Zero connection between high school and club teams/rules etc. except club teams are not allowed practice during HS season.
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Post by bumpkickspike on Sept 24, 2024 17:55:33 GMT -5
Oregon here - we are in the last year (fingers crossed) of the makeshift “high school club” format. Many schools/districts have refused to allow for student-lead “club teams” because of the insurance red-tape. This will be the main benefit of a winning vote; schools will no longer be able to deny teams access to facility and equipment.
1) Women’s ball, molten NFHS was used at states. I believe this decision was based on equity, as many programs could not provide a men’s volleyball throughout the season. Will be interesting to see if this changes with sanctioning.
2/3) Tryouts March 3, state tourney May 24/25. Because we are an emerging sport, not all club players are on high school teams. Our region still allows clubs to make decisions on practices and tourneys. Our region, CEVA, does collaborate with the HS schedule so as to allow for as many players as possible to experience both.
4) “club high school” doesn’t have any coaching crossover issues. Player eligibility is school by school, and players may only play for a neighboring school if they prove a “genuine effort and failure” to start their own team at their home school.
Girls club, at the larger schools, are not allowed to coach any of their high school athletes. Smaller schools might be allowed up to 2 players. Our leader in the boys sanction effort has requested an MOU for the first year(s) of sanctioning, because preventing club coaches from helping with school teams will HURT the growth. The rule is in the spirit of recruiting and favoritism… right now we just need to get this thing started.
Official vote next month!
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Post by eatervolley on Sept 24, 2024 22:02:56 GMT -5
This may be a unique, hot take out there but sanctioning a sport at high school level is not all sunshine and rainbows. I am curious to the following rules that other governing bodies have in sanctioning states... Trying to create information to take back to the IHSAA (indiana) as they are getting very restrictive on their rules. 1) What game ball do state's use for the tournament? (Indiana will now use the K1 Wilson ball) I work for Mikasa and can answer this very directly, as this is literally what I do. Each state has a contract with a ball manufacturer for 3-5 years that stipulates what ball they must use at their championships. The schools are allowed to use whatever they would like for their home games and practices so long as they are NFHS approved. Currently that removes the Flistatec and our V200W as they are not NFHS approved balls for several reasons. Several states choose to bid all sports to one company, usually the case if they have wilson, but not always. Since you have to be able to provide all balls ie: basketball, soccer, water polo, football, lacrosse etc. anything you cant provide, you must find someone to join you in the bid. It is on the ball company to provide schools with resources and pricing to make it enticing to use our products, because nothing guarantees the schools will use them outside of the contractually agreed upon championships. Happy to explain more if you have further questions. But long story short, each state athletic association is making that choice. |
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Post by babybacksets on Sept 25, 2024 2:46:36 GMT -5
This may be a unique, hot take out there but sanctioning a sport at high school level is not all sunshine and rainbows. I am curious to the following rules that other governing bodies have in sanctioning states... Trying to create information to take back to the IHSAA (indiana) as they are getting very restrictive on their rules. 1) What game ball do state's use for the tournament? (Indiana will now use the K1 Wilson ball) 2) When do your season's begin? (indiana now begins March 10th rather than February 27th in the past) 3) When do your state tournaments end? (Indiana is now 5/31 compared to Memorial Day weekend) 4) What rules do your governing bodies have that impact travel club? For instance, High School Coaches cannot coach their athletes from their schools, and no more than 3 kids from the same high school can compete on a club team. The 4th rule is an insane thing to force on athletes |
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Post by lineshot2016 on Sept 25, 2024 9:35:51 GMT -5
Here in Missouri it definitely was not that great of an experience our first year in 2024.
We use the MIKASA VFC1000 ball. It's fine but I did notice these balls wear down pretty fast. I had two game balls (used 1-2 times a week) that had seams ripping in them already halfway through my last year.
Missouri season began on 2/26 this past year which was normal. We typically have 3-4 weeks of practice before our first game which is the 3rd or 4th week of March. However our regular season was cut a week short so we were done with regular season by 5/3. I did not like this because we had to squeeze 25 games (regular season and tournament)into a 6 week period. 4/6 regular season weeks we had 3 matches (3/5) plus a tournament one week.
The state tournament ended on 5/22 for us. This was a normal time to end for MO BUT they waited a week between the quarterfinal and semifinal games which drags things out. Also, the State championship match was played at 2PM on a Wednesday. I know students from the schools participating were excused from class to go watch but that was one of the dumbest things that changed IMO. The 3rd place game was played at noon on the same day.
HS coaches in MO also cannot coach their kids during the club season. I don't hate this rule but I would also be ok if this changed.
We also had 2 classes in MO up until this past season where they forced everyone into 1, big class. I think we had 80ish schools total, but I'd need to look it up to be sure. The way our district tournaments are set up is now different too. In the past we would rank all teams and then divide districts that way and it made the state tournament extremely competitive. Now, the districts are set up geographically. Some districts are and always will be loaded with top 10 teams, while other districts are really weak. Missouri does this so every region in the state is represented at the state tournament which I kinda get, but it makes the actual state tournament watered down. Between the 2 semi-final matches, the 3rd place game, and the state championship, only one match was actually competitive and it was one of the semifinals. Every other match was a blowout.
So yeah, in our first year it really wasn't great in my eyes but "it's good for the growth of the game". Every other sport in MO has the same growing pains with their sports and the districts being uneven and the state tournaments being watered down at times. We were spoiled with Boys Volleyball having the control we did for so long.
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Post by thebaytocsulb on Sept 25, 2024 9:58:11 GMT -5
In the Central Coast Section of California we use the Spalding TF-VB5 for section playoffs due to the section sponsorship then switch to the Mikasa VFC1000 the next week for CIF Regional play for a separate CIF sponsorship.
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Post by gofaster88 on Sept 25, 2024 11:22:57 GMT -5
AZ uses K1 Gold for playoffs anything can be used during the regular season as long it has NFHS stamp.
Official 1st practice is 2/10/25 (keep in mind our summer break starts Memorial Day) so every state is dependent on their school calendar.
Playoffs start 5/9 and end 5/17. Basically, a week before Finals.
Only rule is clubs cannot hold group sessions with rostered players from the first date of competition till end of the regular season or their team is eliminated from playoffs. 1 on 1 privates are allowed.
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Post by theambitiouscow on Sept 28, 2024 10:08:02 GMT -5
still waiting for texas to have hs volleyball...
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Post by thebaytocsulb on Sept 28, 2024 14:24:08 GMT -5
still waiting for texas to have hs volleyball... Texas is a sleeping giant. |
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Post by GrowingTheGame14 on Oct 17, 2024 14:08:56 GMT -5
Academy Director Travis Fuller (brother of boys director Andrew Fuller) goes on PrepVolleyball to discuss the rule of three that Indiana has to deal with for club volleyball in depth.
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