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Post by seceason on Nov 26, 2024 22:18:09 GMT -5
Why are they even allowed to speak to him if he's already committed to LSU? Not sure why you are asking this. Underwood was only verbally committed to LSU and the first football signing day is not for another eight days. This is not uncommon in football recruiting (except perhaps the size of the NIL deal), especially at this time of the year. I don’t think you’re going to see NIL impact in the way that you’ll see more aggressive recruiting tactics. It’s pretty well honored in college VB that a kid who verbally commits is left alone by other schools. But that definitely is no longer the case in FB or MBB, kids are actively recruiting by schools right up until signing day. I could see that getting to us. Cause you don’t need money to keep working angles. |
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Post by stevehorn on Nov 26, 2024 22:18:27 GMT -5
With all the senior nights that have happened or are happening this week... What’s the tea on redshirt juniors that are academically seniors who weren’t honored on senior night? Who on the teams you follow most closely seem to be using up their eligibility on their current team based on senior night honorees? As pointed out in the Minnesota thread, Lauren Crowl and Kali Engeman were freshmen in 2021 and redshirt juniors this season, but aren’t being honored for senior night. At this time it feels safe to assume they’re leaning towards using their fifth year to stay Gophers. (Phoebe Awoleye chose to be honored last season before later deciding to stay for her 5th year, thank Oz.) So tea on who (likely) won’t be in the portal. Un-tea? Based on my experience following the Texas program, most redshirt juniors return for their senior year and don't go through senior day until their redshirt senior year. |
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Post by skolgophers on Nov 26, 2024 23:03:24 GMT -5
? The underwood situation certainly was. The one who set up the call with said booster/player spoke directly about it in a podcast. If we are talking about Landfair, I wasn’t aware that was more than speculation until about an hour ago, so… There were certainly a number of conversations that preceded the call that you are referencing. This possibility of a flip started being discussed was well known several weeks ago on college football recruiting sites that had no connection to Michigan and LSU. Also that Michigan was going all-in (NIL money) to get Underwood. If you think it was just the booster involved and not the Michigan AD/coaching staff/NIL collective, you're being a bit naive. you don’t think the call with one of the richest men in the world offering him X amount of money was the straw that broke the camels back and got him to flip? If there were talks with others involved with the Michigan program before that, that doesn’t surprise me one bit. But that call and offer from a specific booster(s) was the ultimate decider. |
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Post by maigrey on Nov 26, 2024 23:56:26 GMT -5
I am saying this was discussed to death last year when it happened. She was verbally committed to another championship-level team until someone came in with a giant NIL offer, and suddenly she signed with Nebraska. Exactly what happened with your football example, and what you were asking to see if that happened in volleyball. And to be clear, that was her right to do that, and I don't have any anger about it. It was just odd, because Neb didn't need more OHs; she was on the bench for the first half of the season. She's happy with her choice. It definitely seems so! I brought it up only to show that it happens, not to drag her about the choice. ❤️ |
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Post by babybacksets on Nov 27, 2024 0:01:19 GMT -5
Canady leaving for Texas Tech was a probably one of the worst things I’ve ever experienced as a softball fan. NIL or otherwise, I was just extremely disappointed. All those goats I sacrificed on behalf of her going to University of Texas died for nothing. I must’ve got the ritual wrong 😩 she and Texas would've created a brand new dynasty. I just can't understand the point of transferring to a program that will finish at best second in the worst power four league. Exactly, like Gerry Glasco is a good coach but I just feel like the man is always ready to bounce all over the place when he has had incredible opportunities to settle in. And as much as I wanted Canady at UT, it’s kind of sad that Stanford will go right back to being incredibly irrelevant after having been in the conversation these past few years. Losing 2 of its best pitchers in back to back seasons let alone its conference. I like their coach a lot and I just don’t see how she bounces back from this. |
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Post by 808empath on Nov 27, 2024 1:42:21 GMT -5
Do you have a reason for asking this? Otherwise you're gonna get yourself banned Okay, I seen it in local news article, maybe I read wrong Sorry Post the link. Where's the article? |
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Post by horns1 on Nov 27, 2024 2:34:55 GMT -5
I know it’s a completely different sport, but I wonder if it is happening in volleyball. Bryce Underwood, the number one recruit in the country in football flipped his commitment from LSU to Michigan, basically was bought by a donor of Michigan. Barstool Sports just posted how it happened. My question is if people think this is truly happening in volleyball? I just really don’t think the money is quite there in volleyball NIL to influence players that much to either transfer or flip commitments. Maybe people have insider info that this is happening in volleyball that I definitely do not, but I can’t see it. IMO players chase championships in this sport more than they do NIL money. I posted this in this thread because there are lots of posters who think players didn’t transfer to their team because another school had more NIL money. I spent some of my childhood in Michigan so I still follow some of the high school sports there and have been watching this develop. I think it's worth mentioning that he is from Belleville, about a 20 min drive from Ann Arbor. Last year, the broadcasters in the state tourney were mentioning that he was debating staying or going away for college. All of that aside -- NIL is absolutely out of control if we're really at the place where another school can publicly offer someone else's recruit a larger NIL package and everyone's like "¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ok alright then!" Why are they even allowed to speak to him if he's already committed to LSU? I know it was probably like someone sliding into his DM's like "Hey, Bryce, random Michigan booster here I'm hearing there's like 23 million good things going on for you haha hope you open your recruitment!!!!  " But it's still so crazy to me. When Canady left Stanford softball, everyone was like "Oh okay that makes sense, Duke's ace is graduating and they're a way more competitive program, cool" only to see her transfer to Texas Tech with a first year HC and then we find out about the $1MM NIL deal and it's like... what are we even doing? A kid is truly being advised by adults out there to chase a $1M paycheck today in lieu of a Stanford degree? We're operating in weird times. Sorry for hijacking the thread, but I think this is somehow the most relevant thing to be written in this thread today. Because there is no such thing as a "verbal commitment" according to the NCAA. A verbal commitment is non-binding and either party can walk away from this verbal agreement at any time as nothing was signed. |
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Post by horns1 on Nov 27, 2024 2:45:43 GMT -5
So, you’re saying there was no way she was going to choose Nebraska to try to win a title? It was NIL only that pushed her to Nebraska? I am saying this was discussed to death last year when it happened. She was verbally committed to another championship-level team until someone came in with a giant NIL offer, and suddenly she signed with Nebraska. Exactly what happened with your football example, and what you were asking to see if that happened in volleyball. And to be clear, that was her right to do that, and I don't have any anger about it. It was just odd, because Neb didn't need more OHs; she was on the bench for the first half of the season. Why are you comparing a high school QB recruit who was verbally committed to a school (but has not yet signed their LOI) to a college volleyball student-athlete who entered the transfer portal? Apples to oranges. Yes, NIL was involved; but, where each recruit/player was in their careers is like a 4 year difference. |
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Post by ladyfan on Nov 27, 2024 8:20:08 GMT -5
Things that can be known from the outside:
-written commitments
Things that might be known:
-verbal commitments
-NIL offers (mostly not in writing yet)
Things that cannot be known:
-What exactly causes a student athlete to change commitment or enter the portal or choose a school in the first place.
The assumption that it’s ALL about NIL money seems doubtful. If college students were only interested in their future earnings none of them would major in things like education or social work that come nowhere close to meeting the pay of many other jobs. It could be the money, it could be a particular coach or assistant coach, it could be the prospective teammates, the proximity to home, national title prospects, or a thousand other things. Assuming it’s the money over any other factor shows more about the person making the statement than the student who made the choice.
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Post by horns1 on Nov 27, 2024 9:12:09 GMT -5
Things that can be known from the outside: -written commitmentsThings that might be known: -verbal commitments -NIL offers (mostly not in writing yet) Things that cannot be known: -What exactly causes a student athlete to change commitment or enter the portal or choose a school in the first place. The assumption that it’s ALL about NIL money seems doubtful. If college students were only interested in their future earnings none of them would major in things like education or social work that come nowhere close to meeting the pay of many other jobs. It could be the money, it could be a particular coach or assistant coach, it could be the prospective teammates, the proximity to home, national title prospects, or a thousand other things. Assuming it’s the money over any other factor shows more about the person making the statement than the student who made the choice. What is a "written commitment"? Can you provide an example of which specific recruit provided that? Or are you talking about a signed Letter of Intent or ASA (Athletic Scholarship Agreement)? |
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Post by skolgophers on Nov 27, 2024 9:32:15 GMT -5
I am saying this was discussed to death last year when it happened. She was verbally committed to another championship-level team until someone came in with a giant NIL offer, and suddenly she signed with Nebraska. Exactly what happened with your football example, and what you were asking to see if that happened in volleyball. And to be clear, that was her right to do that, and I don't have any anger about it. It was just odd, because Neb didn't need more OHs; she was on the bench for the first half of the season. Why are you comparing a high school QB recruit who was verbally committed to a school (but has not yet signed their LOI) to a college volleyball student-athlete who entered the transfer portal? Apples to oranges. Yes, NIL was involved; but, where each recruit/player was in their careers is like a 4 year difference. the point of my original post was to ask if NIL is actually playing a huge part in volleyball as it does in football (which is why I brought up the underwood situation). There had been nonstop speculation last year that Landfair chose the bigger NIL deal, and so many people post things throughout many groups/sites talking about how players are just going to go to the school with more money for them. I was more so curious if boosters are contacting players in the portal (at the request of a coach) to sway them in that direction or if this is only happening in the bigger NIL sports (football, basketball). |
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