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Post by maigrey on Nov 10, 2024 17:47:47 GMT -5
A question about how the BIG schedules these matches. Pitt fan here, so I have no stake in the matter. I am wondering if it is standard to have teams play matches on consecutive days. ACC usually schedules them Fri and Sun so traveling teams get a day to recover. Home teams do too, but I imagine traveling adds an additional stress to the players. I get that everyone has to do it, but do the teams really think it is ok? Seems like it would be hard to play that second match in a different city a few hours after the first one. Back-to-back is generally the case, and has been for years. Occasionally there will be a Friday-Sunday weekend, but that might have as much to do with scheduling around football as anything else. For years there were 'travel partners', when the team travelling would play two teams geographically near to one another; for example, Michigan and Michigan State would play at Minnesota and Wisconsin, and swap Friday opponents for the Saturday match. Or vice versa, Minnesota and Wisconsin playing at Michigan and Michigan State. But as there are more opponents to schedule, and so a less 'balanced' schedule, that becomes harder (or maybe rarer) to schedule. This year, with the advent of travelling to and from the west coast, teams involved are playing more Thursday-Saturday or Friday-Sunday weekends. Wisconsin, for example, goes to LA this coming weekend to play USC on Thursday and UCLA on Saturday. They are still doing a lot of "travel partner" scheduling. UCLA and USC are within 50 mi of each other and travel mostly to the same 2 teams in a weekend, Washington and Oregon mostly do the same thing. If you look at the big 10 schedules you'll see other pairings. |
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Post by volleyball90 on Nov 10, 2024 17:48:02 GMT -5
Taking qualitative data, assigning numbers to it and then averaging the numbers is generally not going to be valid statistically. The way you get close by assigning numbers which predict side out percentage. The 3 point (and 4 point) scale are nowhere close to that, based on how Chad Gordon talks about it. Though I agree with Chad’s premise. I don’t think he found the best way of rating passers yet either as his grades didn’t really pass the eye test. |
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Post by robtearle on Nov 10, 2024 18:04:01 GMT -5
Back-to-back is generally the case, and has been for years. Occasionally there will be a Friday-Sunday weekend, but that might have as much to do with scheduling around football as anything else. For years there were 'travel partners', when the team travelling would play two teams geographically near to one another; for example, Michigan and Michigan State would play at Minnesota and Wisconsin, and swap Friday opponents for the Saturday match. Or vice versa, Minnesota and Wisconsin playing at Michigan and Michigan State. But as there are more opponents to schedule, and so a less 'balanced' schedule, that becomes harder (or maybe rarer) to schedule. This year, with the advent of travelling to and from the west coast, teams involved are playing more Thursday-Saturday or Friday-Sunday weekends. Wisconsin, for example, goes to LA this coming weekend to play USC on Thursday and UCLA on Saturday. They are still doing a lot of "travel partner" scheduling. UCLA and USC are within 50 mi of each other ... I think it's closer to maybe ten miles from one campus to the other. (Of course, depending on the time of day, that ten miles might take an hour to drive. LOL) |
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Post by iluvvb on Nov 11, 2024 1:57:09 GMT -5
ACC has travel partners too, we just don't play on 2 consecutive days. Was the PSU vs Wisconsin game on Saturday because of the NBC broadcast, or did that have no bearing on the schedule? It just seems hard on the players, and tough on a team if one of their stars is sick or dinged up a bit. Maybe that just makes your players tougher come tourney time. Thanks for the responses.
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Post by Millenium on Nov 11, 2024 2:03:14 GMT -5
Penn State doesn't play as well on the road. If this were in Rec Hall, the outcome might have been different.
Also, the short turnaround IMO was a factor, much like Oregon at Penn State a few weeks back.
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Post by SportyBucky on Nov 11, 2024 8:25:08 GMT -5
ACC has travel partners too, we just don't play on 2 consecutive days. Was the PSU vs Wisconsin game on Saturday because of the NBC broadcast, or did that have no bearing on the schedule? It just seems hard on the players, and tough on a team if one of their stars is sick or dinged up a bit. Maybe that just makes your players tougher come tourney time. Thanks for the responses. Yes. Following football. |
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Post by allisonbadger on Nov 11, 2024 9:46:45 GMT -5
Back-to-back is generally the case, and has been for years. Occasionally there will be a Friday-Sunday weekend, but that might have as much to do with scheduling around football as anything else. For years there were 'travel partners', when the team travelling would play two teams geographically near to one another; for example, Michigan and Michigan State would play at Minnesota and Wisconsin, and swap Friday opponents for the Saturday match. Or vice versa, Minnesota and Wisconsin playing at Michigan and Michigan State. But as there are more opponents to schedule, and so a less 'balanced' schedule, that becomes harder (or maybe rarer) to schedule. This year, with the advent of travelling to and from the west coast, teams involved are playing more Thursday-Saturday or Friday-Sunday weekends. Wisconsin, for example, goes to LA this coming weekend to play USC on Thursday and UCLA on Saturday. They are still doing a lot of "travel partner" scheduling. UCLA and USC are within 50 mi of each other and travel mostly to the same 2 teams in a weekend, Washington and Oregon mostly do the same thing. If you look at the big 10 schedules you'll see other pairings. I think every team in the Big10 has a horror story about back to back matches. Last year, Wisconsin played Maryland and Penn State on a back to back Friday/Saturday. Something went wrong with Wisconsin's charter flight and they had to take a bus to Happy Valley, driving through the night. Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug... |
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Post by swaggyp on Nov 11, 2024 10:03:43 GMT -5
They are still doing a lot of "travel partner" scheduling. UCLA and USC are within 50 mi of each other and travel mostly to the same 2 teams in a weekend, Washington and Oregon mostly do the same thing. If you look at the big 10 schedules you'll see other pairings. I think every team in the Big10 has a horror story about back to back matches. Last year, Wisconsin played Maryland and Penn State on a back to back Friday/Saturday. Something went wrong with Wisconsin's charter flight and they had to take a bus to Happy Valley, driving through the night. Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug... Nov 26 2022 @ #5 Nebraska Nov 27 2022 @ #8 OSU |
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Post by SportyBucky on Nov 11, 2024 10:25:21 GMT -5
Penn State doesn't play as well on the road. If this were in Rec Hall, the outcome might have been different. Also, the short turnaround IMO was a factor, much like Oregon at Penn State a few weeks back. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Read: Penn State is waaay too OH dependent with just okay passing and paid for it against a superior block. |
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Post by Wiswell on Nov 11, 2024 10:50:54 GMT -5
Penn State doesn't play as well on the road. If this were in Rec Hall, the outcome might have been different. Also, the short turnaround IMO was a factor, much like Oregon at Penn State a few weeks back. I don't think #2 team should get swept, just like a #7 team shouldn't get swept at home. But at least the #7 team was playing a higher ranked team. This was akin to the 2006 match at the fieldhouse. Penn State has had some shaky matches. I thought they would win 3-1. But those shaky matches caught up to them. The turnaround didn't help. |
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Post by Del Bocavista on Nov 11, 2024 10:54:57 GMT -5
For the record, the Friday/Saturday schedule USED to be the norm in the Big Ten, but they are largely moving away from it. The Badger/PSU Saturday match is the only back to back Big Ten match for Wisconsin, and one of two back to back in conference for PSU. I'm guessing it was originally penciled in for Sunday, but got moved to be on NBC, and for wahtever reasons they couldn't move the Friday matches back to Thursday.
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Post by badgerbreath on Nov 11, 2024 11:07:16 GMT -5
I thought the badgers just played extremely well. Three HEs in a match is insane. The connections were great after some early match jitters. Smrek and Booth were hitting over the block. Sarah and Orzol OOS was great. Charlie was excellent. The block was disciplined and active- they had figured out how to seal the seams Mruzik typically hits into. Passing was decent most of the time.
I do think PSU may have been a little flatter than normal. Izzy Stark was not up to her usual level, IMO. Hannah was supposedly under the weather (though she had some of the best rips in the match). I'm willing to countenance that the 2nd and 3rd set beat downs were worse because of the short layover.
But this was largely down to how well the badgers played. I say that as someone who didn't think the badgers played particularly well (for what they are capable of) in the other NBC match they swept handily.
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Post by volleyball90 on Nov 11, 2024 13:55:58 GMT -5
I thought the badgers just played extremely well. Three HEs in a match is insane. The connections were great after some early match jitters. Smrek and Booth were hitting over the block. Sarah and Orzol OOS was great. Charlie was excellent. The block was disciplined and active- they had figured out how to seal the seams Mruzik typically hits into. Passing was decent most of the time. I do think PSU may have been a little flatter than normal. Izzy Stark was not up to her usual level, IMO. Hannah was supposedly under the weather (though she had some of the best rips in the match). I'm willing to countenance that the 2nd and 3rd set beat downs were worse because of the short layover. But this was largely down to how well the badgers played. I say that as someone who didn't think the badgers played particularly well (for what they are capable of) in the other NBC match they swept handily. The Purdue match was a result of Wisconsin out serving and out passing Purdue handily. The serving aided their ability to out block Purdue as well. Offensively, Wisconsin did not play well at all. Especially considering that they passed probably the best all season. Against Penn St, Wisconsin actually passed pretty poorly by their standards. However, Charlie was outstanding and the offense was fantastic as a result. Serve and Block did great as well, along with excellent floor defense. Good to win in different ways. As per usual, Wisconsin goes where there block goes. If they have a dominant blocking night, they can beat anyone and it feels like their blocking can have an absolute snowball effect like the 13 point run vs Penn State. |
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Post by SportyBucky on Nov 11, 2024 14:13:28 GMT -5
I thought the badgers just played extremely well. Three HEs in a match is insane. The connections were great after some early match jitters. Smrek and Booth were hitting over the block. Sarah and Orzol OOS was great. Charlie was excellent. The block was disciplined and active- they had figured out how to seal the seams Mruzik typically hits into. Passing was decent most of the time. I do think PSU may have been a little flatter than normal. Izzy Stark was not up to her usual level, IMO. Hannah was supposedly under the weather (though she had some of the best rips in the match). I'm willing to countenance that the 2nd and 3rd set beat downs were worse because of the short layover. But this was largely down to how well the badgers played. I say that as someone who didn't think the badgers played particularly well (for what they are capable of) in the other NBC match they swept handily. The Purdue match was a result of Wisconsin out serving and out passing Purdue handily. The serving aided their ability to out block Purdue as well. Offensively, Wisconsin did not play well at all. Especially considering that they passed probably the best all season. Against Penn St, Wisconsin actually passed pretty poorly by their standards. However, Charlie was outstanding and the offense was fantastic as a result. Serve and Block did great as well, along with excellent floor defense. Good to win in different ways. As per usual, Wisconsin goes where there block goes. If they have a dominant blocking night, they can beat anyone and it feels like their blocking can have an absolute snowball effect like the 13 point run vs Penn State. Wisconsin did not pass poorly. Can someone please pull stats? |
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Post by robtearle on Nov 11, 2024 14:17:02 GMT -5
The Purdue match was a result of Wisconsin out serving and out passing Purdue handily. The serving aided their ability to out block Purdue as well. Offensively, Wisconsin did not play well at all. Especially considering that they passed probably the best all season. Against Penn St, Wisconsin actually passed pretty poorly by their standards. However, Charlie was outstanding and the offense was fantastic as a result. Serve and Block did great as well, along with excellent floor defense. Good to win in different ways. As per usual, Wisconsin goes where there block goes. If they have a dominant blocking night, they can beat anyone and it feels like their blocking can have an absolute snowball effect like the 13 point run vs Penn State. Wisconsin did not pass poorly. Can someone please pull stats? Avid posted them yesterday. From his post: Wisconsin passed 2.09 (they passed 2.13 against Nebraska) Lola: 1.95 (31) Sarah: 2.00 (12) Orzol: 3.00 (6) Penn St: 2.25 Mruzik: 2.29 (26) Starck: 2.04 (11) Falduto: 2.82 (11) Grimes 1.90 (10) Hannah: 2.00 (5) |
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