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Post by wilbur on Nov 13, 2024 15:18:47 GMT -5
I could have used an extra add/drop but I managed fine. I think the biggest adjustment going from a women's to men's league is the quanity of players. There were not enough for 8 teams last year, with 15 teams my guess is the talent pool is going to be very diverse with some challenges finding players that can contribute consistently. I get that the overall player pool is much smaller compared to the womens league, but my concern post draft isn't the player pool per say, it's who is actually playing to begin with. What if a player I drafted is injured for the season or removed from the roster on day one? I have to use one of my 10 add/drops to replace them on day one? Just from a casual look at the NCAA stats, plenty of quality teams are turning over setters this year and those same teams have like 4 options on the roster as replacements. In the womens league, it wouldn't be uncommon to make a guess at who would be the heir apparent replacement setter (there are also fewer setters per team in general so making a guess is a bit easier), but the difference is that you aren't going to be penalized for making a wrong guess because we have a free add/drop window. That js mostly what the add drops were used for last year, it wasn't for on the whim funsies... lots of guessing going to happen. I used an add/drop after round 3 or 4 of the draft last year due to some bad research and picking the wrong setter. And used at least 2 more for setter swaps in the first few weekd of the season because of exactly what you are describing above. It is part of the game. Good news is that you are figuring it out before it starts, I wasn't as smart! |
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Post by ay2013 on Nov 13, 2024 15:22:31 GMT -5
I get that the overall player pool is much smaller compared to the womens league, but my concern post draft isn't the player pool per say, it's who is actually playing to begin with. What if a player I drafted is injured for the season or removed from the roster on day one? I have to use one of my 10 add/drops to replace them on day one? Just from a casual look at the NCAA stats, plenty of quality teams are turning over setters this year and those same teams have like 4 options on the roster as replacements. In the womens league, it wouldn't be uncommon to make a guess at who would be the heir apparent replacement setter (there are also fewer setters per team in general so making a guess is a bit easier), but the difference is that you aren't going to be penalized for making a wrong guess because we have a free add/drop window. That js mostly what the add drops were used for last year, it wasn't for on the whim funsies... lots of guessing going to happen. I used an add/drop after round 3 or 4 of the draft last year due to some bad research and picking the wrong setter. And used at least 2 more for setter swaps in the first few weekd of the season because of exactly what you are describing above. It is part of the game. Good news is that you are figuring it out before it starts, I wasn't as smart! So what you are saying is a lot of the outcome is going to be based on who guesses right (or has some sort of insider info to the teams) in the draft about which players will actually play/start to begin with? hmmmmm ok. |
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Post by trojansc on Nov 13, 2024 16:54:43 GMT -5
I literally drafted a full team of players AFTER everyone drafted and tied for 3rd place in the league (losing the tie-break). (ok, I have to give some vballfreak808 credit here for helping me some).... but like, I was able to fully manage a team, while being hampered with getting the last picks/leftovers of everyone else's draft, and still managed to add/drop and compete with a full roster. I don't remember having any issue with the add/drops. This isn't the women's league IMO where a bunch of unknowns can come out of nowhere with huge team rosters. The NCAA MVB is way, way more predictable IMO. |
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Post by uofaGRAD on Nov 13, 2024 17:04:36 GMT -5
I literally drafted a full team of players AFTER everyone drafted and tied for 3rd place in the league (losing the tie-break). (ok, I have to give some vballfreak808 credit here for helping me some).... but like, I was able to fully manage a team, while being hampered with getting the last picks/leftovers of everyone else's draft, and still managed to add/drop and compete with a full roster. I don't remember having any issue with the add/drops. This isn't the women's league IMO where a bunch of unknowns can come out of nowhere with huge team rosters. The NCAA MVB is way, way more predictable IMO. I feel like MVB is harder to predict lineups pre-season but way easier add/drop wise once it starts |
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Post by wilbur on Nov 13, 2024 17:48:27 GMT -5
That js mostly what the add drops were used for last year, it wasn't for on the whim funsies... lots of guessing going to happen. I used an add/drop after round 3 or 4 of the draft last year due to some bad research and picking the wrong setter. And used at least 2 more for setter swaps in the first few weekd of the season because of exactly what you are describing above. It is part of the game. Good news is that you are figuring it out before it starts, I wasn't as smart! So what you are saying is a lot of the outcome is going to be based on who guesses right (or has some sort of insider info to the teams) in the draft about which players will actually play/start to begin with? hmmmmm ok. there is always some guessing in any competition, educated guesses and making good adjustments quickly based on the way the teams/players are performing as well as some luck (you could call it good guessing) was what worked best last year. Everyone is going to be guessing a lot by round 6 to fill a roster of 12 players that will play each week. Everyone should be making adjustments the first couple of weeks. |
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Post by Timeless on Nov 13, 2024 18:07:10 GMT -5
any trade proposals? dinonugs if you're unsure on who to pick I'll gladly swap places with you with a good offer. |
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Post by dinonugs on Nov 13, 2024 18:13:20 GMT -5
any trade proposals? dinonugs if you're unsure on who to pick I'll gladly swap places with you if you're down. Oh, no. I did my researched. Even went and found your all star teams from 2024. I got my list narrowed down haha Thanks for the offer though  |
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Post by Timeless on Nov 13, 2024 18:15:09 GMT -5
ugh *cries* in French?
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Post by ay2013 on Nov 13, 2024 18:17:58 GMT -5
I literally drafted a full team of players AFTER everyone drafted and tied for 3rd place in the league (losing the tie-break). (ok, I have to give some vballfreak808 credit here for helping me some).... but like, I was able to fully manage a team, while being hampered with getting the last picks/leftovers of everyone else's draft, and still managed to add/drop and compete with a full roster. I don't remember having any issue with the add/drops. This isn't the women's league IMO where a bunch of unknowns can come out of nowhere with huge team rosters. The NCAA MVB is way, way more predictable IMO. I feel like MVB is harder to predict lineups pre-season but way easier add/drop wise once it starts It obviously makes sense that the add/drop is easier once the season starts because there just aren't that many teams, and I guess if the argument is that 10 add/drops for the season works because there aren't enough productive players in the team pool to use an add/drop but for an injury or a player not starting, then ok, I see that. Again it's just a big deviation from the womens game and it goes back to my original point - a decent amount of the outcome is based on who guessed right in the draft of who is actually playing because those people don't have to use an add/drop to remove players that are injured/not starting on day one. It is what it is, just digesting strategy (or lack there of). |
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Post by ay2013 on Nov 13, 2024 19:21:03 GMT -5
Also, just to make sure, we CANNOT have a libero on our roster?
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Post by ay2013 on Nov 13, 2024 20:18:29 GMT -5
peaks out of my bubble of mostly P4/quality mid major D1 womens volleyball - some of these mens programs are fake right? like I've never even heard of half of these colleges.
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Post by ITA/USA on Nov 14, 2024 13:36:41 GMT -5
Just a few clarifications about the bench players and the "draftable" conferences: 1) does the bench player that replaces a starting one need to be of the equivalent position (setter, pin or middle)? Or the #1 bench player will replace any starting player who for some reason doesn't play in the match ? 2) Is a bench player automatically subbed in if a player starts the game but gets subbed out for an injury? 3) once you satisfy the "at least 1 player belonging to the ...7 listed... conference" rule, can all the other players be drafted from any DI and DII team even if their conference is not listed in those 7? thanks 1. Yes, and no? Yes, if you don't meet the lineup requirement of 1 setter, 3 pins, and 2 middles. No, if already you have the positions fully covered. International athletes will also take priority if one happens to be MIA. You are encouraged to always have at least two internationals on your roster. More = better. 2. No, injuries are unfortunately part of the game. 3. Once you've covered the 7 conferences, the remaining 5 athletes can be from any conference. Thank you for bringing this up. There are always a few things that I forget to include in the rules every year. I'm not sure what you mean by not listed in those 7. The only other teams on the Wikipedia page are Puerto Rico teams and those teams are not eligible. Ok, points 2 and 3 are clear for me, thanks. To fully understand your response to point 1), if my starting setter doesn't play and I don't have setters on the bench, I lose one player? |
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Post by wilbur on Nov 14, 2024 14:22:31 GMT -5
1. Yes, and no? Yes, if you don't meet the lineup requirement of 1 setter, 3 pins, and 2 middles. No, if already you have the positions fully covered. International athletes will also take priority if one happens to be MIA. You are encouraged to always have at least two internationals on your roster. More = better. 2. No, injuries are unfortunately part of the game. 3. Once you've covered the 7 conferences, the remaining 5 athletes can be from any conference. Thank you for bringing this up. There are always a few things that I forget to include in the rules every year. I'm not sure what you mean by not listed in those 7. The only other teams on the Wikipedia page are Puerto Rico teams and those teams are not eligible. Ok, points 2 and 3 are clear for me, thanks. To fully understand your response to point 1), if my starting setter doesn't play and I don't have setters on the bench, I lose one player? Correct, so don't draft just one setter! |
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Post by wilbur on Nov 14, 2024 14:23:14 GMT -5
I had 2 middles on my roster a lot of the year and it hurt me a few times
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Post by ITA/USA on Nov 15, 2024 1:42:58 GMT -5
if we are 15 teams and we need to draft 12 players each, with 4 hours between drafts and the nighttime pause, it could take 720 + hrs to complete the draft. I understand that not everybody will use the 4 hrs, but just in case, what happens if we are not done and the season start gets close? I think we could accelerate the draft like after the 7th round, having teams 1-5 pick 1 player, teams 6-10 pick 2, teams 11-15 pick three and then not reverse the order of the drafters but the number of the picks, like team 1-5 pick 3, teams 6-10 pick 2 and team 11-15 pick 1. If we do this twice we would get our 12 player rosters. I would consider this anyway to accelerate the drafting process a little!
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