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Post by stevehorn on Nov 18, 2024 11:08:49 GMT -5
Wisconsin football. I forget who the opponent was, late 1970s or 1980 or so, there was a call on the field that UW fans were NOT happy about. So when the other team's offense came up to the line to run the next play at the Wisconsin four-yard line or so - in front of the student sections - the crowd noise prevented the opposing quarterback from being able to call signals. So the refs gave them clock reset, etc. Back to the line to run a play, crowd noise, no play, reset the clock. This happened again and again, until the refs started taking away UW timeouts. When the timeouts were gone, they called a delay of game on Wisconsin. Half the distance to the goal, to the two yard line. Crowd noise was all the louder, Delay of game, to the one yard line. LOL. Wisconsin fans say "hey, we all took calculus, we can do this all day long." Finally the body language on the field suggested the refs finally told the quarterback to run the damn play. The Colorado/Texas Tech football game in Lubbock this year got pretty rowdy and the fans kept throwing stuff on the field and in the 4th quarter the refs told the Tech head coach that if the crowd didn't stop throwing stuff they were going to get a penalty. The coach ended up getting on the PA to tell the crowd to cut it out. Tortillas. They've been doing this for years. It's typically not a big deal until they start wrapping them around batteries. |
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Post by miss girl on Nov 18, 2024 11:30:34 GMT -5
they're taking these rules so seriously at our scva tournaments, this weekend my bench AND parents got carded for saying "sideout" during the other teams serve...
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Post by coachdavid on Nov 18, 2024 13:10:47 GMT -5
When Pitt played at GT a few years ago, and this was in tiny O'Keefe, a fan came up the up ref and offered her his glasses. He was immediately tossed, and I think banned from games at O'Keefe, I but think was spotted at a volleyball game they had later that year at McTavish. No yellow card was given then. I feel like the only thing that would generate cards like this would be repeated spectators on the floor. You can't describe the interaction but not link to a video! |
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Post by azvb on Nov 18, 2024 13:32:22 GMT -5
BYU case-I initially was embarrassed and really upset a fan would do this. But I’ve changed my mind. I think the Duke player thought she heard the n word. But I don’t think she did. They interviewed either football or basketball players (can’t remember) many of whom were black, who were sitting, well standing, in that section. They heard nothing, nor did any of the other fans in that section. Surely someone would have ratted out such behavior.
Initially, it was said BYU didn’t respond when the allegation was made. But video shows the Duke coach telling the R2, the R2 telling Heather Olmstead, Heather telling the DofO, who immediately gets up and exits the arena. Within a minute or two, campus police are stationed at the bench of Duke and near the crowd on the endline. BYU, and myself, did not take “innocent until proven guilty” attitude. Quite the opposite.
I have always hated that student section behind the end line, and I’m glad they got rid of it permanently.
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Post by azvb on Nov 18, 2024 13:35:37 GMT -5
I had to get an administrator to remove the Stanford tree from the opponents court standing very near the opponent during a time out. He/she was instructed to stay only on the Stanford side 😂.
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 18, 2024 13:40:59 GMT -5
BYU case-II initially was embarrassed and really upset a fan would do this. But I’ve changed my mind. I think the Duke player thought she heard the n word. But I don’t think she did. They interviewed either football or basketball players (can’t remember) many of whom were black, who were sitting, well standing, in that section. They heard nothing, nor did any of the other fans in that section. Surely someone would have ratted out such behavior. Initially, it was said BYU didn’t respond when the allegation was made. But video shows the Duke coach telling the R2, the R2 telling Heather Olmstead, Heather telling the DofO, who immediately gets up and exits the arena. Within a minute or two, campus police are stationed at the bench of Duke and near the crowd on the endline. BYU, and myself, did not take “innocent until proven guilty” attitude. Quite the opposite. I have always hated that student section behind the end line, and I’m glad they got rid of it permanently. There are basically three options: 1) The word was said. 2) The word was not said, but the player misheard. 3) The player lied. I see no realistic reason to believe #3. There is no definite evidence of #1 and there is a lot of testimony of people who say they didn't hear it happen. Most likely the situation was #2, but we'll never really know for sure. We do know that after the match the player misidentified a particular fan, who almost certainly was not actually involved, which is unfortunate and complicated the whole situation. |
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Post by azvb on Nov 18, 2024 13:42:08 GMT -5
BYU case-II initially was embarrassed and really upset a fan would do this. But I’ve changed my mind. I think the Duke player thought she heard the n word. But I don’t think she did. They interviewed either football or basketball players (can’t remember) many of whom were black, who were sitting, well standing, in that section. They heard nothing, nor did any of the other fans in that section. Surely someone would have ratted out such behavior. Initially, it was said BYU didn’t respond when the allegation was made. But video shows the Duke coach telling the R2, the R2 telling Heather Olmstead, Heather telling the DofO, who immediately gets up and exits the arena. Within a minute or two, campus police are stationed at the bench of Duke and near the crowd on the endline. BYU, and myself, did not take “innocent until proven guilty” attitude. Quite the opposite. I have always hated that student section behind the end line, and I’m glad they got rid of it permanently. There are basically three options: 1) The word was said. 2) The word was not said, but the player misheard. 3) The player lied. I see no realistic reason to believe #3. There is no definite evidence of #1 and there is a lot of testimony of people who say they didn't hear it happen. Most likely the situation was #2, but we'll never really know for sure. I also think #2 is what happened. |
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Post by redbeard2008 on Nov 18, 2024 15:11:54 GMT -5
2) The word was not said, but the player misheard. If you've ever stood in a crowd where everyone was yelling (such as a student section), you might be able to hear someone directly behind you, but not someone who was beside or in front of you. With this in mind, I think it is not at all implausible that: 1) The word was said (several times) and a threat was made, and the player did not mishear it, 2) Others in the immediate vicinity might not have heard it (or wouldn't fess up to hearing it, because they were friends?), and 3) The player could have misidentified the person(s) taunting and threatening her, in that it was done behind her back. As I said, I don't know if it happened or didn't happen, but I am highly skeptical of claims that the accusations have been disproven or "debunked" (and, thus, couldn't have happened). |
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Post by johnwwool on Nov 18, 2024 15:43:37 GMT -5
When Pitt played at GT a few years ago, and this was in tiny O'Keefe, a fan came up the up ref and offered her his glasses. He was immediately tossed, and I think banned from games at O'Keefe, I but think was spotted at a volleyball game they had later that year at McTavish. No yellow card was given then. I feel like the only thing that would generate cards like this would be repeated spectators on the floor. You can't describe the interaction but not link to a video! i didn't know that video existed. |
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Post by tablealgebra on Nov 18, 2024 16:17:24 GMT -5
2) The word was not said, but the player misheard. If you've ever stood in a crowd where everyone was yelling (such as a student section), you might be able to hear someone directly behind you, but not someone who was beside or in front of you. With this in mind, I think it is not at all implausible that: 1) The word was said (several times) and a threat was made, and the player did not mishear it, 2) Others in the immediate vicinity might not have heard it (or wouldn't fess up to hearing it, because they were friends?), and 3) The player could have misidentified the person(s) taunting and threatening her, in that it was done behind her back. As I said, I don't know if it happened or didn't happen, but I am highly skeptical of claims that the accusations have been disproven or "debunked" (and, thus, couldn't have happened). I think "unconfirmed" is probably the best way to describe it. I admit previous biases (from racial slurs being confirmed to be shouted at a Utah Royals game back in, I think, 2021) lead me to think that 2 is the most probable scenario. But it could easily be 3. Regardless, I have a hard time thinking BYU was negligent in this situation. |
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Post by goroos on Nov 21, 2024 11:58:56 GMT -5
exactly, so it should be on the facility and the athletic department not the team. If they get a red card and the point goes to the other team that can be a big momentum shift in a game that has nothing to do the players or the coaches. At football games or baseball games the team doesn’t get penalized for what the crowd is doing. And if the facilities staff does nothing? Penalizing the home team for crowd actions is really common in all sorts of sports. In theory the crowd supports the home team, so they will avoid drawing the penalty. In practice that doesn't always work, but it does provide an incentive for the home team to insist that facilities controls the crowd. Thats true. I just know if I was playing and we got penalized for what the crowd was doing I'd be pissed lol |
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