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Post by Burly Ives on Nov 17, 2024 13:18:36 GMT -5
The 2024-25 edition included this change:
6.5.2 Crowd Control
Failure of the host administration to control/address spectator conduct in
the playing area as described in Rule 19�2�5 will result in assessment of an
administrative yellow card (warning) to the team at fault� Subsequent crowd
control issues during the same match may be further sanctioned with an
administrative red card (point) per incident�
I have yet to see a match that resulted in a yellow or red card.... What significant event precipitated this rule change and has there been instances where it has been implemented?
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Post by hammer on Nov 17, 2024 14:03:47 GMT -5
Wasn't there an incident at BYU?
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Post by Burly Ives on Nov 17, 2024 14:23:27 GMT -5
Wasn't there an incident at BYU? I'm gonna look into that one. I wonder where they draw the line. Crowd control could be the way overboard shrieking sometimes one hears when a player goes up for a serve.
Wisconsin mens basketball used to have a players mom that let out a blood curdling scream when opponents players attempted free throws. I hope they when possible can curb some of the over the top stuff in volleyball.
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Post by Pepperjack on Nov 17, 2024 14:27:33 GMT -5
Wasn't there an incident at BYU? I'm gonna look into that one. I wonder where they draw the line. Crowd control could be the way overboard shrieking sometimes one hears when a player goes up for a serve.
Wisconsin mens basketball used to have a players mom that let out a blood curdling scream when opponents players attempted free throws. I hope they when possible can curb some of the over the top stuff in volleyball.
Last evening Wisconsin @ UCLA - some of the UCLA fans were screaming while Wisconsin was serving. Same vibe a very loud blood shrieking scream… refs didn’t say or do anything about it |
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Post by goroos on Nov 17, 2024 14:30:59 GMT -5
I don't see how penalizing the team would help with that. The crowd will act how they will act. It's not like the players or the coaches can control them.
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Post by JT on Nov 17, 2024 14:37:40 GMT -5
I don't see how penalizing the team would help with that. The crowd will act how they will act. It's not like the players or the coaches can control them. The facilities staff is responsible, and can/should eject fans who viate the agreement that's almost certainly on the ticket or website where the digital ticket was. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 17, 2024 14:39:04 GMT -5
I don't see how penalizing the team would help with that. The crowd will act how they will act. It's not like the players or the coaches can control them. The crowd is the responsibility of the home team. They can take measures up to and including kicking out the entire crowd. It's pretty common in other sports that the home team can be assessed penalties for an unruly crowd. |
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Post by goroos on Nov 17, 2024 14:42:10 GMT -5
I don't see how penalizing the team would help with that. The crowd will act how they will act. It's not like the players or the coaches can control them. The facilities staff is responsible, and can/should eject fans who viate the agreement that's almost certainly on the ticket or website where the digital ticket was. exactly, so it should be on the facility and the athletic department not the team. If they get a red card and the point goes to the other team that can be a big momentum shift in a game that has nothing to do the players or the coaches. At football games or baseball games the team doesn’t get penalized for what the crowd is doing. |
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Post by widdledumpling on Nov 17, 2024 14:53:33 GMT -5
The facilities staff is responsible, and can/should eject fans who viate the agreement that's almost certainly on the ticket or website where the digital ticket was. exactly, so it should be on the facility and the athletic department not the team. If they get a red card and the point goes to the other team that can be a big momentum shift in a game that has nothing to do the players or the coaches. At football games or baseball games the team doesn’t get penalized for what the crowd is doing. When the Texas student section started throwing water bottles on the field during the Georgia football game there was an announcement over the PA that further objects on the field would result in a penalty, so I think it can happen in football |
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 17, 2024 14:57:19 GMT -5
The facilities staff is responsible, and can/should eject fans who viate the agreement that's almost certainly on the ticket or website where the digital ticket was. exactly, so it should be on the facility and the athletic department not the team. If they get a red card and the point goes to the other team that can be a big momentum shift in a game that has nothing to do the players or the coaches. At football games or baseball games the team doesn’t get penalized for what the crowd is doing. And if the facilities staff does nothing? Penalizing the home team for crowd actions is really common in all sorts of sports. In theory the crowd supports the home team, so they will avoid drawing the penalty. In practice that doesn't always work, but it does provide an incentive for the home team to insist that facilities controls the crowd. |
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Post by Not Me on Nov 17, 2024 15:04:02 GMT -5
Not sure if there any one incident in volleyball that caused volleyball to add the rule. But there have been incidents in other sports.
I’m guess this language is being added to the rules for all sports. Because it’s not an issue of if this will happen, but rather when.
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Post by mervinswerved on Nov 17, 2024 15:40:16 GMT -5
When I was a student assistant in college, our student section was extremely rowdy, to the point where one of our conference opponents spent an entire match videotaping the student section and played it at the league meetings that year. Can't imagine who told our student section about the incident before that team visited next season.
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Post by n00b on Nov 17, 2024 16:17:40 GMT -5
This has nothing to do with volume or timing of fans yelling. It's about fans getting too close to the court. I don't think there was any specific incident that led to this, but more making sure volleyball has rules that align with sports that have packed crowds. The examples distributed of fans getting too close to the playing area were at Penn State and Texas where student sections are on literally on the floor.
This is one example that was used. 18-16 in the 4th set, the guy in the hard hat entering the playing area to yell at the OSU player like 3 feet away. He did the same thing on match point.
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Post by johnwwool on Nov 17, 2024 16:34:43 GMT -5
When Pitt played at GT a few years ago, and this was in tiny O'Keefe, a fan came up the up ref and offered her his glasses. He was immediately tossed, and I think banned from games at O'Keefe, I but think was spotted at a volleyball game they had later that year at McTavish. No yellow card was given then.
I feel like the only thing that would generate cards like this would be repeated spectators on the floor.
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Post by stevehorn on Nov 17, 2024 17:02:23 GMT -5
exactly, so it should be on the facility and the athletic department not the team. If they get a red card and the point goes to the other team that can be a big momentum shift in a game that has nothing to do the players or the coaches. At football games or baseball games the team doesn’t get penalized for what the crowd is doing. When the Texas student section started throwing water bottles on the field during the Georgia football game there was an announcement over the PA that further objects on the field would result in a penalty, so I think it can happen in football Yes, the refs could have called a penalty (believe it's the unsportsmanlike 15 yard penalty). I've seen it called at least a couple of times in my life during TV games I was watching though it has been years. Actually they can call multiple penalties if the crowd doesn't stop. |
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