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Post by ay2013 on Feb 2, 2025 16:41:19 GMT -5
Alright, after 4 weeks of volleyball, this is how I'd rank the teams.
1- UCI
2- LBSU
3- Hawaii
4- BYU
5- USC
6- UCLA
7- Loyola Chicago
8- Pepperdine
9- Ball State
10- Stanford
I'll preemptively explain UCLA at #6... I couldn't find an objective reason to rank them higher. So far, the top 4 teams have played a tougher schedule, and while I think UCLA and USC have played a similar SOS so far, I don't see what UCLA has done to justify them being higher than USC right now. They played the Big 10 teams relatively evenly (UCLA lost to Ohio State a couple weeks ago), USC has a higher hitting percentage, is holding teams to lower hitting percentage, and, most importantly, UCLA's serve/serve receive game so far this year has been pretty bad (through 25 sets played they've given up almost 200 points in either service errors or reception errors).
I could have given a number of teams consideration for the 9 and 10 spots...but I went with Ball State (quality of the losses) and Stanford (SOS)
We get UCLA and LBSU this week soooo that should clear somethings up pretty quickly.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Feb 2, 2025 17:13:28 GMT -5
Alright, after 4 weeks of volleyball, this is how I'd rank the teams. 1- UCI 2- LBSU 3- Hawaii 4- BYU 5- USC 6- UCLA 7- Loyola Chicago 8- Pepperdine 9- Ball State 10- Stanford I'll preemptively explain UCLA at #6... I couldn't find an objective reason to rank them higher. So far, the top 4 teams have played a tougher schedule, and while I think UCLA and USC have played a similar SOS so far, I don't see what UCLA has done to justify them being higher than USC right now. They played the Big 10 teams relatively evenly (UCLA lost to Ohio State a couple weeks ago), USC has a higher hitting percentage, is holding teams to lower hitting percentage, and, most importantly, UCLA's serve/serve receive game so far this year has been pretty bad (through 25 sets played they've given up almost 200 points in either service errors or reception errors). I could have given a number of teams consideration for the 9 and 10 spots...but I went with Ball State (quality of the losses) and Stanford (SOS) We get UCLA and LBSU this week soooo that should clear somethings up pretty quickly. lol, unless they split the series Massey has UCI as #1 UCI has the 4 best set of wins, UCLA's SOS is much better than USC suspect there will be more splitting of AVCA #1 votes this week, it's only natural. Beach's defense is not at the level yet of last year with lots of MB line-ups, MBs not 100%, and Briggs gone. Offense is better. Beach is gonna have to win more 'grind' and 50-50 points better. |
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Post by mmvb805 on Feb 2, 2025 17:17:40 GMT -5
In terms of record and overall strength of schedule, I would put UCI over LBSU. However, based on the eye test, I'm putting LBSU over UCI. Additionally, given that LBSU hasn't lost yet, I don't think it's fair to strip them of their #1 ranking. I think they'll only lose it if they lose a game
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Post by ay2013 on Feb 2, 2025 17:28:44 GMT -5
Alright, after 4 weeks of volleyball, this is how I'd rank the teams. 1- UCI 2- LBSU 3- Hawaii 4- BYU 5- USC 6- UCLA 7- Loyola Chicago 8- Pepperdine 9- Ball State 10- Stanford I'll preemptively explain UCLA at #6... I couldn't find an objective reason to rank them higher. So far, the top 4 teams have played a tougher schedule, and while I think UCLA and USC have played a similar SOS so far, I don't see what UCLA has done to justify them being higher than USC right now. They played the Big 10 teams relatively evenly (UCLA lost to Ohio State a couple weeks ago), USC has a higher hitting percentage, is holding teams to lower hitting percentage, and, most importantly, UCLA's serve/serve receive game so far this year has been pretty bad (through 25 sets played they've given up almost 200 points in either service errors or reception errors). I could have given a number of teams consideration for the 9 and 10 spots...but I went with Ball State (quality of the losses) and Stanford (SOS) We get UCLA and LBSU this week soooo that should clear somethings up pretty quickly. lol, unless they split the series Massey has UCI as #1 UCI has the 4 best set of wins, UCLA's SOS is much better than USCsuspect there will be more splitting of AVCA #1 votes this week, it's only natural. Beach's defense is not at the level yet of last year with lots of MB line-ups, MBs not 100%, and Briggs gone. Offense is better. Beach is gonna have to win more 'grind' and 50-50 points better. If you mean by Massey's SOS, meh, with so few inputs this early, I'm not going strictly by that when I say SOS. I'm going by what I consider to be SOS. So far both USC and UCLA have played Penn State (netural) and @ohio State and @ CSUN, so at the very least we have some decent common opponents. UCLA has hosted SFU (who looked absolutely awful to start the year) and UCSD (who is quality) USC has played a few more matches against lower level teams but I'd consider the combined strength of Daemon and Princeton to equal that of SFU and UCSD So IMO, the only real plus for UCLA in terms of teams played so far is the additional match against Ohio State two weeks ago...which they lost. I'm not saying UCLA *isn't* better than USC right now, I just am not sure how I could justify ranking them higher at this point. |
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Post by newport2020 on Feb 2, 2025 17:31:20 GMT -5
Alright, after 4 weeks of volleyball, this is how I'd rank the teams. 1- UCI 2- LBSU 3- Hawaii 4- BYU 5- USC 6- UCLA 7- Loyola Chicago 8- Pepperdine 9- Ball State 10- Stanford I'll preemptively explain UCLA at #6... I couldn't find an objective reason to rank them higher. So far, the top 4 teams have played a tougher schedule, and while I think UCLA and USC have played a similar SOS so far, I don't see what UCLA has done to justify them being higher than USC right now. They played the Big 10 teams relatively evenly (UCLA lost to Ohio State a couple weeks ago), USC has a higher hitting percentage, is holding teams to lower hitting percentage, and, most importantly, UCLA's serve/serve receive game so far this year has been pretty bad (through 25 sets played they've given up almost 200 points in either service errors or reception errors). I could have given a number of teams consideration for the 9 and 10 spots...but I went with Ball State (quality of the losses) and Stanford (SOS) We get UCLA and LBSU this week soooo that should clear somethings up pretty quickly. lol, unless they split the series Massey has UCI as #1 UCI has the 4 best set of wins, UCLA's SOS is much better than USC suspect there will be more splitting of AVCA #1 votes this week, it's only natural. Beach's defense is not at the level yet of last year with lots of MB line-ups, MBs not 100%, and Briggs gone. Offense is better. Beach is gonna have to win more 'grind' and 50-50 points better. Massey doesn’t watch the games. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Feb 2, 2025 17:47:52 GMT -5
lol, unless they split the series Massey has UCI as #1 UCI has the 4 best set of wins, UCLA's SOS is much better than USCsuspect there will be more splitting of AVCA #1 votes this week, it's only natural. Beach's defense is not at the level yet of last year with lots of MB line-ups, MBs not 100%, and Briggs gone. Offense is better. Beach is gonna have to win more 'grind' and 50-50 points better. If you mean by Massey's SOS, meh, with so few inputs this early, I'm not going strictly by that when I say SOS. I'm going by what I consider to be SOS. So far both USC and UCLA have played Penn State (netural) and @ohio State and @ CSUN, so at the very least we have some decent common opponents. UCLA has hosted SFU (who looked absolutely awful to start the year) and UCSD (who is quality) USC has played a few more matches against lower level teams but I'd consider the combined strength of Daemon and Princeton to equal that of SFU and UCSD So IMO, the only real plus for UCLA in terms of teams played so far is the additional match against Ohio State two weeks ago...which they lost. I'm not saying UCLA *isn't* better than USC right now, I just am not sure how I could justify ranking them higher at this point. lol, @ combineing SFA and Daeman, twice nothing is still nothing USC is 2-0 vs top 15, UCLA is 3-1 so yeah, an argument could be made for them over UCLA. UCLA's SOS is stronger, not 'meh' the only metric ranking out there is Massey at this point, and unfortunately I think it still has some 2024 factor still built in, for another two weeks I think any other ranking is a debate at this point any way. Loyola has better wins, arguably, than USC, so maybe Loyola should also be above USC. Loyola could be a real difficult team to rate, basically not gonna have much of substance on them until towards end of March, and they likely won't have a single top 5 opponent the entire year, yikes. doesn't mean they won't be good or are not good; just ranking them is gonna be very difficult with that non-conf schedule of their. I could even see Loyola being ranked #1 by the AVCA by mid-March while other teams out west beat each other up. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Feb 2, 2025 17:50:15 GMT -5
lol, unless they split the series Massey has UCI as #1 UCI has the 4 best set of wins, UCLA's SOS is much better than USC suspect there will be more splitting of AVCA #1 votes this week, it's only natural. Beach's defense is not at the level yet of last year with lots of MB line-ups, MBs not 100%, and Briggs gone. Offense is better. Beach is gonna have to win more 'grind' and 50-50 points better. Massey doesn’t watch the games. lol, I think that's point ! biased people watch the games, in some cases very biased people lol doesnt' mean they can't make some good assessments, just means they are all biased assessments. when someone invents some video viewing algoithm to role in to an agnostic ranking, that will be interest. |
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Post by ay2013 on Feb 2, 2025 18:00:37 GMT -5
If you mean by Massey's SOS, meh, with so few inputs this early, I'm not going strictly by that when I say SOS. I'm going by what I consider to be SOS. So far both USC and UCLA have played Penn State (netural) and @ohio State and @ CSUN, so at the very least we have some decent common opponents. UCLA has hosted SFU (who looked absolutely awful to start the year) and UCSD (who is quality) USC has played a few more matches against lower level teams but I'd consider the combined strength of Daemon and Princeton to equal that of SFU and UCSD So IMO, the only real plus for UCLA in terms of teams played so far is the additional match against Ohio State two weeks ago...which they lost. I'm not saying UCLA *isn't* better than USC right now, I just am not sure how I could justify ranking them higher at this point. lol, @ combineing SFA and Daeman, twice nothing is still nothing USC is 2-0 vs top 15, UCLA is 3-1 so yeah, an argument could be made for them over UCLA. UCLA's SOS is stronger, not 'meh' the only metric ranking out there is Massey at this point, and unfortunately I think it still has some 2024 factor still built in, for another two weeks I think any other ranking is a debate at this point any way. Loyola has better wins, arguably, than USC, so maybe Loyola should also be above USC. Loyola could be a real difficult team to rate, basically not gonna have much of substance on them until towards end of March, and they likely won't have a single top 5 opponent the entire year, yikes. doesn't mean they won't be good or are not good; just ranking them is gonna be very difficult with that non-conf schedule of their. I could even see Loyola being ranked #1 by the AVCA by mid-March while other teams out west beat each other up. ALL "rankings" are debatable. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Feb 2, 2025 18:10:00 GMT -5
lol, @ combineing SFA and Daeman, twice nothing is still nothing USC is 2-0 vs top 15, UCLA is 3-1 so yeah, an argument could be made for them over UCLA. UCLA's SOS is stronger, not 'meh' the only metric ranking out there is Massey at this point, and unfortunately I think it still has some 2024 factor still built in, for another two weeks I think any other ranking is a debate at this point any way. Loyola has better wins, arguably, than USC, so maybe Loyola should also be above USC. Loyola could be a real difficult team to rate, basically not gonna have much of substance on them until towards end of March, and they likely won't have a single top 5 opponent the entire year, yikes. doesn't mean they won't be good or are not good; just ranking them is gonna be very difficult with that non-conf schedule of their. I could even see Loyola being ranked #1 by the AVCA by mid-March while other teams out west beat each other up. ALL "rankings" are debatable. lol, ok one can debate about Massey. but there is no debate wihtin Massey it doesn't care what VT debate says |
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Post by newport2020 on Feb 2, 2025 18:12:17 GMT -5
ALL "rankings" are debatable. lol, ok one can debate about Massey. but there is no debate wihtin Massey it doesn't care what VT debate says might as well get rid of the coaches poll and VT poll then if Massey is god. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Feb 2, 2025 18:21:13 GMT -5
lol, ok one can debate about Massey. but there is no debate wihtin Massey it doesn't care what VT debate says might as well get rid of the coaches poll and VT poll then if Massey is god. I didn't say it was god, nor did I say the other polls should be eliminated. polls exist for entertainment, why get rid of them. Massey is not a poll anyway. in fact this thread is basically one more poll! |
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Post by newport2020 on Feb 9, 2025 3:27:15 GMT -5
1. Beach
2. UCI
3. USC
4. UCLA
5. Loyola
6. Hawaii
7. BYU
8. Stanford
9. GCU
10. UCSD
IMO, if USC or UCI wins both games against each other, they should become #1 (unless beach sweeps ucla). I know that won’t happen until beach loses but that’s my thought from watching all the teams
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2025 19:23:50 GMT -5
1. LBSU
2. UCI
3. Hawaii
4. UCLA
5. USC
6. Loyola
7. BYU
8. Stanford
9. GCU
10. UCSD
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Post by ant on Feb 9, 2025 19:40:13 GMT -5
Wednesday is going to have two big matches. Too bad they overlap.
UCI vs USC at UCI - battles of unbeatens at 6:00 PST
UCLA vs Long Beech State - last week #1 vs #3- at UCLA at 7 PST
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Feb 9, 2025 19:48:01 GMT -5
Wednesday is going to have two big matches. Too bad they overlap. UCI vs USC at UCI - battles of unbeatens at 6:00 PST UCLA vs Long Beech State - last week #1 vs #3- at UCLA at 7 PST interesting that the match is only UCLA's 2nd home match of the year. they've played more matches in Long Beach than they have at UCLA so far. |
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