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Post by Gorf on Dec 9, 2005 14:59:22 GMT -5
Unfortunately, poker IS very popular and has plenty of sponsors willing to pay for it being televised. Unlike volleyball where the NCAA pays for the majority of the volleyball coverage. There just aren't many big contributing sponsors for volleyball yet. The poker shows like the world series of pokers are cheap to produce compared to the volleyball matches 4 different locations using larger crews at each than poker uses at one site. Also, from the peple I knw and have heard discuss the poker shows they're willing (and actually like) to watch those poker shows several times. How many times do volleyball fans typically like to watch the same volleyball match more than 1 r 2 times? Until the volleyball comunity can show there is a much bigger demand for televising the sport and can find enough sponsors that are willing to step forward and pay for mainstrea commercials during the volleyball telecasts the coverage from sources liike ESPN isn't likely to change much. when it comes to a ncaa national championship title match - i am sure lots of volleyball fans would watch it more than one or two times -- i am sure there are some wanting to get a dvd or video tape of past national championship matches just to watch it again as well -- as for knowing people that like watching poker shows - how many of them would want to watch the 2005 poker tournament over and over and over again throughout the year the way espn and espn2 keeps airing it?? i would think they would either tape it at least by the 3rd showing or perhaps wanting to watch a different tournament -- it seems to me - the way they show one poker show in the amount that espn and espn2 shows - those stations are trying to pull more audience and fans to that -- and also even with the sponsers that sponsers that poker show - most of them seem to be the same sponsers of beach volleyball - which makes me feel - why dont those beach volleyball players help with trying to help promote more national tv coverage of indoor college volleyball when most of them came from that particular venue?? one way they could start introducing it slowly to the rest of the country via television air time would be on the show 'dig' At least in this area, there seem to be a plethora of people that area obsessed with watching those shows over and over and over. I've never been able to sit through watching even one of the shows through to the end of it. The biggest local sports talk radio station seems to get a lot of callers to some of their shows talking about things like the world series of poker and hardly being able to wait for it to be aired again. It don't get it... Still, all in all - producing one world series of poker show is cheaper for ESPN than producing 4 regional volleyball events. Plus, the casinos probably pay a nice fee toward getting the shows aired frequently since they're basically advertisements for their services. |
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Post by pineapple on Dec 9, 2005 15:11:36 GMT -5
If it's gonna suck for the fans if hawaii wins, then let it goonna suck for the fans.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Dec 9, 2005 15:18:46 GMT -5
I assume we'd still be able to catch the game at a bar somewhere that has a satellite feed, though. Eastside Grill anyone? I'll meet you there.  |
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Post by Wolfgang on Dec 9, 2005 15:49:23 GMT -5
Two things:
1. I haven't been to the AVCA site in a while, perhaps in over 2 years. But I would like to know what it is AVCA is supposed to do. I read one of their webpages which explains the party line: yadda yadda...support the coaches...yadda yadda...promote the education of the sport.... Given all the progress in recent years (or lack thereof) in marketing the sport, I really wonder if promotion of the sport is really one of the goals of AVCA. If it is, they're doing a poor job. If it is not, then we're blaming the wrong group of people.
2. Before we judge ESPN's decisions re. moving around/editing volleyball, I really would like to see Neilson ratings and other types of TV ratings info. ESPN, like other networks, will promote (to the death even...) anything that will rake in viewers and ultimately $$$. So, if volleyball is popular on TV, I doubt they would screw with it much. If anything, they would over-expose it. But given the kind of shabby treatment ESPN has given to volleyball, it confirms my suspicions that volleyball is not drawing the kinds and numbers of viewers that, say, poker or bass fishing draws. If so, we can't really blame ESPN. They are, like a lot of businesses, rational entities. It's not ESPN's job to promote volleyball. They don't need to. They've got other sports with large viewerships so why bother? It's somebody else's job to promote the sport. Who? I don't know. I'm not even sure it's AVCA's job.
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Post by Gorf on Dec 9, 2005 17:19:14 GMT -5
The issue of ESPN editing matches isn't much that the do the editing, its more how the do the editing.
They added in any minutes if useless commentaries (ie, the on air people don't know what they're talking about) that could be used to show more of the match. They frequently cut away to a commercial toward the end of a very good / close game and come back with resumed play after the game is completed and sometimes more than a game later.
Their editors don't seem to understand the sport at all.
I don't blame them for not covering more volleyball matches if doing so doesn't make money for them by covering those additional matches.
I do blame them for preventing other networks from covering matches that ESPN holds the rights to because of their contract with the NCAA.
As for who ought to be promoting the sport?
The AVCA, us as fans, individual teams and conferences, and anyone that would actually see the sport grow and get more / better coverage.
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Post by bomber on Dec 9, 2005 17:22:19 GMT -5
If Hawaii wins, it will suck big time for me....
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Post by Wolfgang on Dec 9, 2005 18:24:10 GMT -5
Well, Hawaii lost so it must be abso-frikkin-lutely awesome for the fans.
I, personally, don't give a rip. Still going to Disneyland next week.
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Post by chrisreed on Dec 9, 2005 18:26:06 GMT -5
If Hawaii wins, it will suck big time for me.... I guess you don't have to suck anymore, will leave it in the hands of Sexy and Pineapple. |
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Post by Psychopotamus on Dec 9, 2005 18:28:10 GMT -5
Thanks Wolfgang, kick me when I'm down. I take a nap and wake up to a four game loss... not a nice Xmas present.
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Post by comic on Dec 9, 2005 18:28:35 GMT -5
SO does it SUCK for the fans now after they lost?
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Post by IdahoBoy on Dec 9, 2005 18:51:10 GMT -5
Aaronic. Gotta say this post pissed me off this morning when I saw it up. Not only did you jinx na Wahine, most of your recent posts have not been supportive.
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Post by sexy on Dec 9, 2005 18:52:51 GMT -5
yet - espn and espn2 will find time to broadcast the 2005 world poker championship tournament for the 110th time since the tournament had happen -- if they are showing it because it was in high demand by their faithful viewers and big fans of poker - they could just put it on video tape and dvd and make some profit from it -- that would take less than a week to do -- when they air something like that 2005 poker championship as many times as they have done and will continue to do until the next tournament - which you can bet on thats what they will do - it becomes just as bad as info-mericals SO WHAT DOES THIS SAY ABOUT THE MARKETING JOB FOR WOMEN'S VOLLEYBALL THAT IS DONE BY THE NCAA AND AVCA?  ?  basically they are showcasing that they are numb-heads |
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Post by sexy on Dec 9, 2005 18:57:08 GMT -5
If Hawaii wins, it will suck big time for me.... I guess you don't have to suck anymore, will leave it in the hands of Sexy and Pineapple. pssst - it isnt my hands that do the sucking though!!  as far as bomber goes - she doesnt bother me one bit -- it takes a lot to bother me - and bomber just doesnt cut it ;D |
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Post by sexy on Dec 9, 2005 19:01:24 GMT -5
SO does it SUCK for the fans now after they lost? not for me - perhaps for the team -- i am still grateful for their effort and regardless of their loss today - nothing will take away the fun and excitement they bring to my volleyball heart year in and year out |
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Post by Aikea on Dec 9, 2005 19:03:41 GMT -5
SO does it SUCK for the fans now after they lost? not for me - perhaps for the team -- i am still grateful for their effort and regardless of their loss today - nothing will take away the fun and excitement they bring to my volleyball heart year in and year out Well said! |
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as far as bomber goes - she doesnt bother me one bit -- it takes a lot to bother me - and bomber just doesnt cut it ;D