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Post by GatorVball on Dec 10, 2005 13:57:44 GMT -5
Mary, as seems to be the case every year, is the only female head coach still in the tournament. Why does it always seem that teams coached by women can never get to the final 4? Are the men just that much better coaching in big matches? Is there any real explanation? Only once has a female coached team ever played for the title, still no female head coach has won it. Kind of weird, the same is true is soccer, where it's male dominated and Florida has the only female coach to ever win the national title.
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Post by huskervbfan on Dec 10, 2005 14:31:33 GMT -5
Sexist as it sounds, men just don't have any desire to get pregnant and stay home to raise families.
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Post by bowman on Dec 10, 2005 14:51:21 GMT -5
someone said she's really a man in 'drag'.
can you confirm?
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Post by Keystonekid on Dec 10, 2005 15:53:33 GMT -5
Finkle/Einhorn?
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Post by Gorf on Dec 10, 2005 16:23:05 GMT -5
If qualified women coaches were hired at the schools which make it to the elite eight and final four on a regular basis is there any real reason to believe that they wouldn't succeed at the same levels?
If Mary Wise had been the head coach of Stanford over the past 14 years instead of Florida would the Cardinal have fewer national championships?
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Post by Aikea on Dec 10, 2005 16:30:16 GMT -5
Those are great questions. I was thinking along the same lines. If John Cook or Dave Shoji were to coach at, say Nevada, how far could they take the team on a regular basis.
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Post by Gorf on Dec 10, 2005 16:43:04 GMT -5
I think they'd both do pretty well.
Cook turned Wisconsin into a team that contended for the elite eight regularly and made it to the final four with his recruits the year after he left to take over at Wisconsin.
Shoji would certainly have success, he's a very talented coach.
It isn't a given that either would be regularly considered final four and national championship contenders the way they are now though.
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Post by stillcrazy on Dec 11, 2005 14:47:31 GMT -5
Why aren't there more women coaching VB at the highest collegiate level?
They're smarter than that. Beginning coaches work incredibly long hours for low pay and travel a lot, Travel for matches and recruiting can easily amount to 50,000 air miles a year. They rarely get a day off from the time practice begins in the fall until their season is complete - early August to at least Thanksgiving. Tough duty if you have visions of marriage and starting a family.
Beyond that, what female coaches are qualified to be a head coach at a high profile program? ADs in those institutions are generally reluctant to hire anyone without a very good DI track record. I'm most familiar with the West Coast, so my list will reflect that.
Jennifer Petrie - San Diego
Beth Launiere - Utah
Janice Kruger - Maryland
Suzie Fritz - Kansas State
Devin Scruggs - Nevada
Who else?
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Post by silversurfer on Dec 11, 2005 14:52:20 GMT -5
If qualified women coaches were hired at the schools which make it to the elite eight and final four on a regular basis is there any real reason to believe that they wouldn't succeed at the same levels? Lisa Love at USC. |
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Post by 2c on Dec 11, 2005 14:54:13 GMT -5
I find it unusual that there are many more female coaches in WBB than in WVB. And about half the elite programs in WBB are coached by women. Where there are only a few programs in WVB.
What's that all about?
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Post by 2c on Dec 11, 2005 15:25:30 GMT -5
Jennifer Petrie - San Diego Beth Launiere - Utah Janice Kruger - Maryland Suzie Fritz - Kansas State Devin Scruggs - Nevada Who else? Some more: Wise at Florida Corbelli at TexasA&M Brown at NotreDame Frederic at Iowa (formerly Wazzu) Matthies at Pepperdine Gregory at UCSB Colberg at Sac State DeitreCollins at Cornell (was UNLV; now has Keeley) PennyLucas-White at Air Force Petersen at NIowa Kreklow at Mizzou (yeah, but they're still just co-head coaches) Johnson at ISU (well, in a few years she'll qualify; great start though) McKee at NewMexico Prentice (Perkins) Lewis at TCU George at MichState Nagel at Duke Lantagne at Miami Legall at Georgia  at Indiana (hey, keep those comments to yourself) Stokes of MissouriState Dingman of IllinoisState Booth at Creighton |
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Post by huskervbfan on Dec 11, 2005 15:37:06 GMT -5
I really don't think you should leave Deanne Scanlon of Grand Valley out of this discussion. She just won the DII NCAA Championship and is COY.
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Post by silversurfer on Dec 11, 2005 16:12:18 GMT -5
Dunbar at College of Charleston
Kruger at Maryland
Kahl at Wake Forest
Kordes at Saint Louis
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Post by stillcrazy on Dec 11, 2005 19:17:40 GMT -5
I realize I named but a few of the female DI coaches, but what I'm looking for are those whose performance at lower level DI would warrant a look by high profile DI programs. Besides Petrie, Launier, Fritz, Kruger and Scruggs, I agree that Dunbar, and maybe Nagel, Lantagne and Stokes deserve such consideration. I'll also add Buchanan at Idaho to a list that would include Johnson, as coaches to watch down the road.
Mathies, Gregory, Brown, Corbelli, and Wise are already at high profile programs and might be considered but I doubt they'd be interested in leaving. Fredrick had many opportunities to leave WSU but didn't until the Iowa position was offered. I'm sure her intention is to make that a high profile program.
I'm sure the Kreklow's will have opportunities although she may have a better shot than he at being named head coach.
I agree that a coach like Scanlon at Grand Valley may deserve consideration but DI ADs with high profile VB programs are unlikely to consider her. There are many other quality female coaches in DII, DIII, and NAIA but unfortunately they will not be considered at top programs. Generally, they'll have to start their DI careers at mid-level schools.
A few who have been mentioned have done nothing that would cause a high profile AD to consider them. Which of the others mentioned do you think deserve consideration at a high profile school.
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at Indiana (hey, keep those comments to yourself)