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Post by holidayhusker on Dec 11, 2005 17:01:55 GMT -5
I would take Houghtelling and Pavan before Tomasevic..... and you certainly do not have a Melissa Elmer.
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Post by Keystonekid on Dec 11, 2005 17:03:03 GMT -5
Not sure how you are arriving at Mclaughlin being the better coach. I would assume the only criteria could be, conference championships, head to head record, all-americans produced, National Championships. Final score would be Cook 4 Mclaughlin 0. As both are exceptional coaches, it is a silly argument and will be a total non-factor in the match. Secondly, Pavan, Houghtelling, Larson and Saleaumua are better than the Three OH's from Washington, although I think Washington's OH's are exceptional. I just think Nebraska has 2 of the three best OH's in the country in Pavan and Houghtelling, and Jen is a returning all-american and Larson is a FOY candidate. You make the statement that Jim is better than Cook, but the numbers don't support you. I f we put up the numbers of the OH's you would fall short there as well.
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Post by prosem on Dec 11, 2005 17:13:37 GMT -5
The husky nation is not looking by Tenn. NU can look by SC all they want. But here we know that Tenn is a hot team with nothing to lose. They will play "great". We and our team are focused on the semi's. No further. Looking past them is dumb and we wont, wont make that mistake.
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Post by saywho on Dec 11, 2005 17:28:32 GMT -5
Not sure how you are arriving at Mclaughlin being the better coach. I would assume the only criteria could be, conference championships, head to head record, all-americans produced, National Championships. Final score would be Cook 4 Mclaughlin 0. As both are exceptional coaches, it is a silly argument and will be a total non-factor in the match. Secondly, Pavan, Houghtelling, Larson and Saleaumua are better than the Three OH's from Washington, although I think Washington's OH's are exceptional. I just think Nebraska has 2 of the three best OH's in the country in Pavan and Houghtelling, and Jen is a returning all-american and Larson is a FOY candidate. You make the statement that Jim is better than Cook, but the numbers don't support you. I f we put up the numbers of the OH's you would fall short there as well. Please do put up the numbers for OHs. I'm curious as to where this person would be falling short number wise in the OH hitter category. I just pulled up both sets of stats side by side and I don't think one is better than the other. I think one can say Tomasevic and Morrison are two of the three best OHs in the nation too and have just as much merit as Pavan and hotel. I don't think one set is better than the other. I think it will be a great match. I just think you are off in saying the numbers will reveal anything when it comes to comparing the OHs. And in all actuality, except for blocks, the numbers favor Washingtons middles by far when it comes to hitting percentage. Tho, I think we all know Elmer is the best of the 4 middles, but then again does that matter when the setter can't get her the ball properly?? I think that might be what it comes down to...if the NU setters can get the balls to the middles at all.
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Post by Keystonekid on Dec 11, 2005 18:38:51 GMT -5
I try not to make a point, unless I can back it up so here are the stats for the 3 UW OH's and the 4 Huskers. I still think both are great and may play one of the best finals in NCAA history, and I am not nocking UW at all, they are awesome, just want to keep BIK in check.
The Washington OH"s hit a combined .326 averaging a little over 12.5 kpg.
Husker OH's hit .335 with just under 14 kpg.
Houghtelling is the best of the lot with .375, Tomasevic second with .360 Pavan at .351 Morrison at .341. I have been saying it for months, why is Houghtelling not mentioned with Pavan and Tomasevic as POY, she certainly is statistically the best.
So Nebraska's best OH hit better than UW's best, and Nebraska's second hit better than UW's 2nd, and Nebraska 3 and 4 hit better than UW"s 3rd.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2005 19:05:21 GMT -5
If the match comes down to setting the Huskers are in trouble. I find it interesting in UCLA's coach Andy's comment on how much more physical NU is than any other team he said they'd played. Something will have to give. I hope it's a great match if it happens.
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Post by aaronic on Dec 11, 2005 19:23:11 GMT -5
Has anyone of you Washington "doubters" actually seen Morrison or Tomasevic OR Haggerty play? They are definetely as a whole, much better on the OH than NU. Sarah Pavan is right up there with Tomasevic, but as a whole, Washington's outsides are GOOD! The only thing that NU's outsides have against them are probably better blocking skills because I think NU can and will outblock Washington in the Final, but I don't think NU can handle the consistency and relentlessness of the 3 OH's for UW. I think the middles for both teams will heavily rely on the passing, so whomever is passing well that night will have the better middles....if that makes sense.... Remember, it's all about the pass.
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Post by fromohtosf on Dec 11, 2005 19:44:44 GMT -5
Has anyone of you Washington "doubters" actually seen Morrison or Tomasevic OR Haggerty play? They are definetely as a whole, much better on the OH than NU. Sarah Pavan is right up there with Tomasevic, but as a whole, Washington's outsides are GOOD! The only thing that NU's outsides have against them are probably better blocking skills because I think NU can and will outblock Washington in the Final, but I don't think NU can handle the consistency and relentlessness of the 3 OH's for UW. I think the middles for both teams will heavily rely on the passing, so whomever is passing well that night will have the better middles....if that makes sense.... Remember, it's all about the pass. I have seen both teams play quite a bit. I would have to ask you if you have seen NU play because apparently you have not been paying attention. Tomasevic, great player, does not have the power, size, or athletesism of Houghtelling and Pavan. She has great shots and vision though. Two different types of play. Washington as a whole DEFINITELY better than NU? That is just so wrong. I think it is a toss up between the two teams.
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Post by Keystonekid on Dec 11, 2005 19:50:34 GMT -5
Aaronic, the statistics do not support your argument. Nobody is saying either team is "definately" better, (well I guess you are) but the Nebraska OH's are better attacking and blocking than UW. Passing is huge, but it isn't all about the passing. If you watched the Fl/Neb match Nebraska did not pass or handle the ball particularly well, they a6e just so physical that it wears opponents out. When you consider how physical Florida is and was still dominated physically by Nebraska, that is scary. I think FLorida is more athletic than Washington, and at least as physical.
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Post by 2c on Dec 11, 2005 20:03:06 GMT -5
Has anyone of you Washington "doubters" actually seen Morrison or Tomasevic OR Haggerty play? They are definetely as a whole, much better on the OH than NU. Sarah Pavan is right up there with Tomasevic, but as a whole, Washington's outsides are GOOD! The only thing that NU's outsides have against them are probably better blocking skills because I think NU can and will outblock Washington in the Final, but I don't think NU can handle the consistency and relentlessness of the 3 OH's for UW. I think the middles for both teams will heavily rely on the passing, so whomever is passing well that night will have the better middles....if that makes sense.... Remember, it's all about the pass. Yes. Haggerty and Houghtelling have incredible power. Morrison and Pavan can hit at ridiculous angles and trajectories, Tomasevic and Larson/JenS can bring power or shots around any block. It's all going to come down to the sets/passing/serving. If all it came down to was who's OH were hitting the perfect sets the best, I'd go with Nebraska. I just think there's a better chance that Washington will be playing at that higher level on any given night, therefore I give the nod to Washington in the match. If Nebraska's passing is on and their setters are connecting with their hitters, then Nebraska probably wins. Both teams are capable of serving their opponent off the court. I just fear that Washington has seen some of the toughest servers in the country all season long and will be in system more often than the Huskers. Oh, to answer the question.... the better OH group for each team? A wash when just considering FR play.
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Post by 2c on Dec 11, 2005 20:06:39 GMT -5
One advantage I definitely see for the Huskers is how they have to prepare for FinalFour opponents. I definitely see SCU and UT spending all this next week focusing on UNL and UW exclusively. However, I suspect a portion of UW and UNL's practice time will be in preparation of each other since each seem to have an all or bust attitude to this season.
SCU's 5-1, defensive minded team falls very much in line with Washingtons so it's not like the Huskers would have to try to spend some time prep'g for a completely different squad/offensive scheme between the Semi's and the Finals. Conversely, UT runs a 5-1 with 2 lefty OHs and a more Middle oriented attack with an offensive minded setter and rarely use their right-side hitter. UNL couldn't be more different with their 6-2 and the 4 OHs getting the majority (evenly dispersed usually) and the middles getting about half as many swings. My point is that UNL really just has to prep for the personal in each specific position to cover both SCU and UW. UW would have to prep for a UT match and then completely different prep for a UNL match.
The other advantage for UNL is the day between matches which unlike the R1/2 and Regionals back-to-back days (Pac10) format more mimics the Big12 schedule. Oh, wait.... in this case it may be more of a disadvantage since that gives UW more time to make that prep conversion from UT to UNL. Dammit.
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Post by 2c on Dec 11, 2005 20:09:23 GMT -5
I think FLorida is more athletic than Washington, and at least as physical. What's the difference between athletic and physical? Height?
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Post by aaronic on Dec 11, 2005 20:22:21 GMT -5
First off, I don't think I need to defend my argument even further, but whatever i'll just do it- a rare treat as I almost never have to defend my statements more than it has already been stated.
Yes, I have seen both teams play too. Tomasevic is a very good player on the rightside, BUT I know Pavan IS better on that position, however UW also has Haggerty and MORRISON on the left.
UW is very balanced, whereas NU is more heavy on their rightside(unless Houghtelling is supposed to be a LS). Yes, Larson and Jenn are good on the left, but I don't think good enough. If you had another Pavan/Houghtelling duo on the left too then hands down Nebraska, but I just think that Washington is well balanced. If this UW team is passing well, Courtney will run a great system which could negate that NU block.
However, I think that if you frazzle Washington's defense a little, they could falter big time. That would be the key for Nebraska.
NExt, I actually rarely look at stats. Not saying I don't look at them, it's just probably not as much as other people. But that isn't a crime though right? All I do is watch them play and assess my critiques and thoughts on them as best as I can. Also, you Nebraskans must underestimate your team if you thought Florida had a shot of upsetting NU. Florida is good, overrated at #4 IMO. I've said it before and i'll say it again, the only team that NU should have been worried about in the Regionals would have been Arizona(they were the sleeper).
Oh and btw, I don't have ESPNU so obviously I did not see that match at all. I am also not suprised of the outcome and your assesment of NU's athleticsm because Florida is not as good as they were a couple years back. So I guess even if NU only had backrow hitters, they still would have won, maybe not as easily, but still you get my point. This, OTOH is Washington we're talking about not Florida, and passing is important especially for UW. NU needs to pass good also to get their middles involved though, but I like Washington's chances when their in-system more than Nebraska's
I don't mean to sound rude to Florida fans, and I apologize if I did come off sounding offensive to anyone. I just call em as I see em.
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Post by 2c on Dec 11, 2005 20:36:40 GMT -5
UW is very balanced, whereas NU is more heavy on their rightside(unless Houghtelling is supposed to be a LS). Yes, Larson and Jenn are good on the left, but I don't think good enough. If you had another Pavan/Houghtelling duo on the left too then hands down Nebraska, but I just think that Washington is well balanced. If this UW team is passing well, Courtney will run a great system which could negate that NU block. Houghtelling and Pavan also hit from the Leftside in certain rotations while Larson and JenS will be on the rightside occasionally. The sets to the leftside vs those to rightside are much more even than in most 6-2 offenses let-alone a 5-1 thus creating probably a more balanced offense for Nebraska. It's CT's ability to hold the MB and creating seams in the Huskers block that I fear most, regardless of who her hitters are. BTW, both teams use BR attacks as well as anyone and probably more than anyone (except Ariz) when in system. Elmer is great at blocking BR attacks.
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Post by 2c on Dec 11, 2005 20:42:54 GMT -5
Also, you Nebraskans must underestimate your team if you thought Florida had a shot of upsetting NU. Florida is good, overrated at #4 IMO. I've said it before and i'll say it again, the only team that NU should have been worried about in the Regionals would have been Arizona(they were the sleeper). I'd be interested in who you think is more deserving of the #4 ranking at this point in the season? Tennessee? Arizona? SCU? Florida's #9 seeding was a joke, I truly believe they could have been in the Final Four if they'd been placed into either the PSU/Stanford regionals.
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