Coaches...

[aaronic]

By reading another post, I had an epiphany!

What do you think? Have all the "old-timer" coaches lost their touch? I mean because of changing times, and newer and better techiques...

I noticed that more of the "newer," younger coaches starting to become more successful than the old timers.

For example:

Shoji-hasn't won a title since the mid 80s, hasn't even made the Finals since 1996.

Banachowski-kind of the same resume, except they havent won the title since 1991-dayum...Natalie Williams..

Russ Rose- a little better success recently, but has choked ever since their last banner year in 99, not to mention the lost of Cacciamani!

Brian Gimmilaro- even better success by getting as close as to the Finals in 2001, and winning in 98 with May. But not even getting past the 1st round this year.

Kathy Gregory- well let's just say not even close to Top 10 as of late.

Jim Stone- doing okay, but.....

Hardin- medium-up and down


But you have to look at Haley, Hebert, and Dunning... especially Dunning, but would he have been as successful if still at UOP?? As for Haley, still winning at Texas? when you think about it his titles at USC were all with Elliot recruits right? The only way to tell from him would be over the next 3/4 years or so whether or not Gysin/Copenhagen will live up to hype.

Also, Shaw and Pettit I think would have still been successful coaches had they not wanted to "retire."

Speaking of retired coaches, would Elaine Michaelis still be successful if still coaching today??



Now for the young coaches... they need no descriptive explanation:

John Cook
Jim McLaughlin
Ron Patrick
Jon Wallace
Dave Rubio
Jeritt Elliott
Pete Waite


*Mary Wise and Nina Mathies are people who I don't know if older coaches or newer coaches

[calibro]

Brad Saindon - old timer still thinking his old technique is the way to go. Not working Mr. Saindon.

[HawaiiVB]

Shoji and company made the final four in 2000 lost to Nebreska and then again in 2002 lost to Stanford.

Hawaii has been to the final fourrecently but they just cant get into the championship match.

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Nina Matthies is what I would consider an old time coach, I think she's been at Pepperdine for almost 20 years. Pepperdine has been up and down, have had some good teams, but never made it to the final four.

Mike Hebert is an old time coach who's never won a championship, but been quite succesful recently.

Bond Shymansky is a young coach, who was succesful with kids that weren't his recruits, but they really struggled this year.

I don't think Dave Rubio has been as succesful as some of the old time coaches like Shoji or Rose. They made it to the elite 8 this year, but lost in the first round in 2003, and second round in 04, when you consider the talent the team has had that has got be a dissapointment.

[HawaiiVB]

I agree but Rubio has always been an innovator when it comes to coaching techniques.

You may disagree with his court bravado, but he is a coach that one of the new breed.

I lot of old school coaches were innovators because they had to be. The new breed of coaches had all of the old school coaches' techniques as a solid foundation to improve upon.

Don't get me wrong, wisdom and experience cannot be substituted for innovation. All I'm saying is, maybe its time for some old school coaches to re awaken their creative juices with their techniques.

The game has changed tremendously in the past few years and with that, successful teams had to adjust. One caveat is that I don't think speed alone can win out. I think the passing and defensive game will separate teams, when everything else is even.

[TDCincy]

It's "Rob" Patrick, not Ron. When Patrick showed up in Knoxville UT Volleyball was not in the top 200 programs. They now have 8 consecutive winning seasons, an SEC Championship, a Sweet 16 finish in 2004 and now the programs 1st ever Final Four. A Top 10 ranking last year and a top 5? ranking this season. WOW!

[glow=red,2,300]UT LADY VOLS= 2005 FINAL FOUR![/glow]

[outwest]

I'm amazed that someone didn't mention Jon Stevenson. Sonoma St, St. Mary's, and Cal Poly.

Success stories all and amazing turnarounds.

His group will be making a big run in '06.

[dunderhead]

outwest said:

I'm amazed that someone didn't mention Jon Stevenson. Sonoma St, St. Mary's, and Cal Poly.

Success stories all and amazing turnarounds.

His group will be making a big run in '06.

Yes, they'll be running, that is why they are called the Mustangs.
Nah! Actually he might the quiet sleeper, since he is so good with adjustments, seemingly his ego is in check. The girls at SLO really liked him, and I can tell you he didn't make it easy, I had seen some of those girls before they went to SLO, WHOA! What ever he did to get them in shape, it was awesome. The newbies seem to soar...

[Xplaya]

pete said:

Bond Shymansky is a young coach, who was succesful with kids that weren't his recruits, but they really struggled this year.

Are we back on THIS again.funny how some people give Skinner credit for bringing in the Nebraska girls and not Bond for bringing in his! Guess what he recruited those girls! Yes they struggled this year...most coaches would when 5 starters graduate! He has brought in some nice young talent and will be fine in the next few years....but then he'll have nothing to do with that, right?