Re: red yukon..

[lalalaluuuke]

Again, if you have a problem with someone please email them individually. That is what the email system is for. I have no problems with Lewis. They have a great program and a good coach. I am frustrated that they used ineligible players to achieve their championship, but so is the rest of the volleyball world. In answer to your question, NO, YOU are Wrong. I have not destroyed any of the Lewis players. I said JR was a great setter & 28 years old; and Fabiano was an emotional player which helps the sport. These are all facts.

I did see the post and I truly believe it was not said with spite. That was not my point however. My point was, as I said before, if you have a problem with another's post take it up privately with them in an email or respond directly to their post. Don't call them out with a new thread. Let's focus on volleyball, not on toes getting stepped on.

Respectfully,

RedYukon

[hud]

red yukon 1....babyborn 0...tuff day huh?

I love being the voice of reason.

[cougarize]

I have nothing against Lewis either, but there's really nothing to chirp about because in 2004 Lewis is proving that it was a "one-hit wonder." Albeit it's ended up being a mis-hit.

The babe can talk all it wants on here about others destroying Lewis, but last I checked, I think they were destroying themselves. No?

[hud]

Ok, you are the voice of reason. Atleast I had one shining moment.

[just...theDH]

If anything, this season proves how much Lewis benefited from using illegal, older players. Had they been following the rules like most other schools, they would never have been as good as they were.

[Smooth "954" Mike]

I think its appropriate to add Hawaii to your list that has benefited from using illegal, older players, and if you want to talk about REALLY benefiting from older players add BYU to the list as well.

[lalalaluuuke]

BYU has older players, yes this is true. This as most people know is because they go on church missions. 2 years of doing nothing athletic other than playing an occasional basketball or soccer game. They come back having done nothing to prepare them for the game of volleyball, other than get a little older, a little wiser and mature in life's journey, and a much slower metabolism in many cases. Maturity could be an issue of debate I think, but gaining an athletic advantage is a tougher issue when trying to show that a 2 year layoff from a game of fast-twitch muscle fiber gives one an advantage.

I write this having been in their shoes. I was training to run for the track team and left for a mission. I got back and even after much training have never been able to reach the heights I could before.

I know many will come on here and tell me I am bias and to quit being biased and justifying for BYU. I am just trying to help you see from their perspective how much of an "advantage" they gain. My cousin was a mid round pick as a lefty pitcher coming out of high school. He was actually drafted but instead first chose to serve a mission. After being gone from the sport he was never the same, developed many injuries, required some surgeries, and was never drafted again. He now works 2 jobs-about 16 hours a day, and is going to night school to get an MBA. He lost a lot to serve others.

OK, I've gone a little overboard on my explanation. This whole post came from someone thinking I was hating JR Martins for saying he is 28. Their is a clear difference between a 28 year old professional in college and a 22-24 year old returned missionary.

[benwhipdrofn]

Red, I'm not trying to start anything, but I would like to know where the proof is. I'm mean, someone said he did, but so far there has not been anything concrete, just word of mouth.

I've looked and looked and haven't found anything on JR. Gustavo, yes he did play in an exhibition match and travelled with the Swiss team and cheered with them when they won and is sitting out the season because of it. As far as I know, he was told that as long as he only competed in the exhibition match, it was ok...but he is sitting out because there is a photo of him cheering with the team after they won a match. Fine, if that is what NCAA wants to do with him...he is sitting out. No one at any point ever proved that he played in any other game except the exhibition matches. But because there is speculation, he is benched.

I do agree that JR's age is a matter that has people upset, but there still is no rule against it. Someone posted that they have read a bunch on JR and that he won't be playing the rest of the year. I'm asking where did this person read this? I want to know because I'd like to read it too. I mean, if he did indeed do this then, he's benched and he deserves it...period....but where are these articles. Please someone post the articles as link so we all can read them. We all read what the UCLA coach said, but that was word of mouth and could have been someone just spouting off because they think JR is too old to be playing.

I'm not asking for someone to post stuff in a "see there you go" manner, I'm just asking for someone to post what they said they read. I don't like being deceived and I can only go by what I've been told. I'd like to actually read something about it, in writing to put a backing to the accusations.