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Post by reiker21 on Aug 28, 2006 10:41:55 GMT -5
Tough start for Oregon State. Lost to Cal Poly, UNLV and went to four with Oral Roberts?? Ouch
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Post by huskee22 on Aug 28, 2006 10:53:46 GMT -5
Oregon State will struggle this season. Arizona State winning their tournament this weekend seem to off to a strong start. Don't completely understand the rankings this season for the Pac 10. ASU should be ranked higher than Oregon or Oregon State
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Post by cyberVBmidwest on Aug 28, 2006 12:02:33 GMT -5
I am going to try to see them this Wednesday when they are in town to play Loyola. I met Terry at a coaching clinic last December. Based on the press releases, it sounds like their serve receive and digging leaves a lot to be desired.
It will also be interesting to see their 6'5" OH from Australia.
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Post by OverAndUnder on Aug 28, 2006 12:27:14 GMT -5
Wait wait, that record can't be right. I've read several hundred posts over the years stating quite clearly that the PAC10 is the best conference "top to bottom" in the nation, and that even its bottom feeders are better than 90% of the teams out there.
So now we see, reiker22, your post must be a troll. But I gotta say man, you really had me going there for a while!
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Post by bucky415 on Aug 28, 2006 12:39:56 GMT -5
We'll see how they are when they come to Madison this weekend. I actually have to work on friday, unfortunately, so I'll probably only see them against the Badgers on saturday. I hope Wisconsin doesn't make them look good. One positive for them, though, is that they should have a lot of fans there. I see frat guys with OSU Beavers hats on all the time.
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Post by vballer21 on Aug 28, 2006 12:51:00 GMT -5
I do agree that the Pac-10 is still the strongest league and even the bottom of the Pac-10 would beat most teams out there...NOT ALL I do agree that Oregon & Oregon State are ranked too high in the rankings for the Pac-10. Oregon gets stomped by every team in their league every year and can't see any real changes for this season
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Post by parrotthead on Aug 29, 2006 0:29:38 GMT -5
The girl from Australia can pound the ball from anywhere on the court. Got winded towards the end from so many swings. A little slow on defense but definitely the go to hitter.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Aug 29, 2006 4:50:15 GMT -5
Wait wait, that record can't be right. I've read several hundred posts over the years stating quite clearly that the PAC10 is the best conference "top to bottom" in the nation, and that even its bottom feeders are better than 90% of the teams out there. So now we see, reiker22, your post must be a troll. But I gotta say man, you really had me going there for a while! No, no, no... it's the pac-10 is the best team in the nation. Always finishing at the top. So shut your bottom.
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Post by landon on Aug 30, 2006 11:58:31 GMT -5
The pac 10 is the best. If you watch the bottom teams in the pac, they aren't good on paper, but they are good matches to watch. Oregon loses almost all of their pac 10 matches, but they lose in nail biters in 4 or 5 games. ASU, Oregon, Oregon State and WSU are by far the joke of the Pac, but they make teams work for their wins. Oregon has a lot of heart and so does OSU. WSU and ASU just lack size and that team stud. WSU best player wasn't even a top 100 in her class. And I saw ASU play this past weekend, their best player is by far their libero, and their best OH is a sophomore outside hitter that is a walk-on. That is hard to step up against the best with that. These teams have heart though. When it gets down to it though. PAC-10 is better towards the end because they had the most consistent competition throughout the season. their are never any walks in the park. So if pac-10 teams lose during pre-season to random teams it's because they have been playing themselves. but once they compete against the best, they are better towards the end. That is why you see so many good pac-10 teams make it far in the tournament. and that is why so many teams from the pac 10 make the big tournament. so kick butt again pac-10. i'm sure Washington, Stanford, UCLA and CAL will all be up there towards the end.
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Post by OverAndUnder on Aug 30, 2006 14:04:49 GMT -5
Clearly you have trouble facing reality. Like all human beings, you subscribe to patterns of belief, and any data that does not fit within your pattern is relegated to anomaly, complete with after-the-fact justifications. What part of "lost to Cal Poly, UNLV and went to four with Oral Roberts" don't you understand. Sorry, but a team's membership in the Pac10 is not in itself a condition sufficient to establish that team as "good".
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Post by reiker21 on Aug 30, 2006 14:13:14 GMT -5
My point was WHY would Oregon be ranked higher than ASU. ASU has beat them every time they play them. Oregon has been the bottom of the Pac-10 for years As far as ASU not having any studs in their line up, I will have to respectively disagree. They have many players on that team that were top recruits top 100, Donahue, Smith, Mittelstadt, Fernandez, the soph you referred to. They do have a small team, what they have lacked is a coach that could develop this team into a top contender
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Post by bigfan on Aug 30, 2006 15:26:42 GMT -5
Wait wait, that record can't be right. I've read several hundred posts over the years stating quite clearly that the PAC10 is the best conference "top to bottom" in the nation, and that even its bottom feeders are better than 90% of the teams out there. So now we see, reiker22, your post must be a troll. But I gotta say man, you really had me going there for a while! The Pac-10 has won the last 5 titles.
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Post by bigfan on Aug 30, 2006 15:27:45 GMT -5
I do agree that the Pac-10 is still the strongest league and even the bottom of the Pac-10 would beat most teams out there...NOT ALL I do agree that Oregon & Oregon State are ranked too high in the rankings for the Pac-10. Oregon gets stomped by every team in their league every year and can't see any real changes for this season Both Oregon schools will struggle...it will take a while to recover from Cindy Fredrick.
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Post by bigfan on Aug 30, 2006 15:28:44 GMT -5
The pac 10 is the best. If you watch the bottom teams in the pac, they aren't good on paper, but they are good matches to watch. Oregon loses almost all of their pac 10 matches, but they lose in nail biters in 4 or 5 games. ASU, Oregon, Oregon State and WSU are by far the joke of the Pac, but they make teams work for their wins. Oregon has a lot of heart and so does OSU. WSU and ASU just lack size and that team stud. WSU best player wasn't even a top 100 in her class. And I saw ASU play this past weekend, their best player is by far their libero, and their best OH is a sophomore outside hitter that is a walk-on. That is hard to step up against the best with that. These teams have heart though. When it gets down to it though. PAC-10 is better towards the end because they had the most consistent competition throughout the season. their are never any walks in the park. So if pac-10 teams lose during pre-season to random teams it's because they have been playing themselves. but once they compete against the best, they are better towards the end. That is why you see so many good pac-10 teams make it far in the tournament. and that is why so many teams from the pac 10 make the big tournament. so kick butt again pac-10. i'm sure Washington, Stanford, UCLA and CAL will all be up there towards the end. Great post. Nebraska fan does not understand this.
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Post by OverAndUnder on Aug 30, 2006 16:07:59 GMT -5
]The Pac-10 has won the last 5 titles. And that is a pure representation of conference strength that has absolutely nothing to do with historical bias or the NCAA selection committee's bracket? Of course you're grossly incorrect. Three teams who are members of the Pac10 have won the last five titles. Those specific programs have been great during that time period, but a team's membership in the Pac10 is not in itself a condition sufficient to establish that team as good. Cherry-picking your data is good for dumbass internet arguments such as this forum, but of course nobody (including, I suspect, yourself) takes it seriously. For example, if the Pac10 is better than all other conferences top to bottom, why did only three of their teams make it any farther than the second round last year, and only one - the eventual champion - managed to make it into one of the weakest Final Fours in recent memory? Santa Clara, Pepperdine, Nebraska, Wisconsin... these are some of the teams that were better than many of their Pac10 opponents last year. No-name, unseeded Santa Clara even had the delightful responsibility for eliminating TWO of the "best" teams in the country, one on their home court.
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