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Post by strobe on Mar 15, 2004 14:48:37 GMT -5
How is the kill of an overpass recorded and how is the winner of a joust recorded. Are these considereed blocks or kills???
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Post by roy on Mar 15, 2004 15:08:44 GMT -5
An overpass kill will be recorded as an kill, no matter how the player contacts the ball. The passer passes the ball over the net and as long as no one else touches the ball, it will be a kill. The attacker can simply put their hand up in a blocking motion and it is still a kill.
A joust will depend on how the ball is contacted. Usually, if both players go for the ball at the same time, it will be a kill by the winner. But if there is some seperation in the time the players joust for the ball, it could be considered a block. If a player tries to push the ball over and the other player goes up and blocks the ball, it will be a block.
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Post by benwhipdrofn on Mar 15, 2004 18:21:01 GMT -5
yeah!!! a good question and answer....it was beginning to look like all we did was discuss the bad stuff lately.
Ok, here's another question. In Indiana, we don't have any (that I know of) boys club ball in the Northwest region. There are a few girls clubs. What is the best way to go about starting a boys club?
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Post by georgia(pacific)girl on Mar 15, 2004 20:16:54 GMT -5
An overpass kill will be recorded as an kill, no matter how the player contacts the ball. The passer passes the ball over the net and as long as no one else touches the ball, it will be a kill. The attacker can simply put their hand up in a blocking motion and it is still a kill. A joust will depend on how the ball is contacted. Usually, if both players go for the ball at the same time, it will be a kill by the winner. But if there is some seperation in the time the players joust for the ball, it could be considered a block. If a player tries to push the ball over and the other player goes up and blocks the ball, it will be a block. So, does the person who made the overpass get credit for an assist?
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Post by roy on Mar 15, 2004 20:24:16 GMT -5
So, does the person who made the overpass get credit for an assist? Well, I guess you could. I also think that when a passer puts the ball over the net off of a serve and the ball cathces everyone by surprise and falls to the ground, the server should get an assist.
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Post by VBbeast on Mar 16, 2004 11:44:59 GMT -5
Ok, here's another question. In Indiana, we don't have any (that I know of) boys club ball in the Northwest region. There are a few girls clubs. What is the best way to go about starting a boys club? ==============================
I believe there is a club operating out of the Idianapolis area called the Irish Juniors, and periodically a group in Muncie gets a team together.
First thing you need to start a club is coaches who are willing to put the time in to do it right. Next thing you need is a facility to practice in thats not going to cost you an arm and a leg. After that its just about getting kids in and training them.
You might want to try contacting the directors of some of the prominent clubs and ask them about fee structures, costs etc. I would actually recommend doing that before you start recruiting players so you can give them an educated estimate on participation costs right up front.
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Post by cyberVBmidwest on Mar 16, 2004 16:57:49 GMT -5
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Post by Beachy on Mar 16, 2004 18:11:09 GMT -5
for starting a new club in the Indiana area, I think your biggest problem will be tournaments. Contact you USAV region office to see when (or if) there are any junior tournaments. You will probably have to travel a ways to compete.
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Post by benwhipdrofn on Mar 16, 2004 18:32:56 GMT -5
great website. Thanks. I know that there are a few of clubs in NE Illinois, which is anywhere from 1-2 hours away. Muncie is at least 2 hours along with Indy. There is alot of interest since the biggest schools in the area do not have boys volleyball, but there are alot of boys who want to play. I know of a club that is close that has had good girls club ball that I may be able to extend from that club and introduce boys. I also met the people from USAV at a training program at Lewis. I'll try and contact them to see what they say. As far as the coaches go, I have about 3 that are very interested. Do I have to offer each different age level?
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Post by midwestfan on Mar 16, 2004 22:10:11 GMT -5
Hey benwhip'd,
I was going to suggest that you contact Dunes VB Club and talk to them. Also, you might do some research and see who has club programs and call them. Lastly, you could check with both Arnie Ball (his son, Loy, played club ball if I'm not mistaken) and Joel Walton to see what they would suggest.
Just some thoughts ...
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Post by VBbeast on Mar 18, 2004 14:19:51 GMT -5
As far as the coaches go, I have about 3 that are very interested. Do I have to offer each different age level? ============================
To start with you might want to think about starting with just one age level. I would personally recommend starting with a 16 and under group and expanding from there if you can get enough players interested. I say 16 because that gives you a core of guys that will hopefully come back to train the next year for 17s. Then you get a new group in for the 16s and have your 17s mostly in place to build on. the next year potentially you have 16's, 17's and 18's. All long term club programs are self sustaining for the most part as in they have their own feeder system.
It is a philisophical issue as to whether or not a coach moves through the system with the same kids or if one coach stays with the 16's another handles the 17s etc. I think its easier for the kids staying with the same coach personally, but there is obviously room for debate on that.
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Post by vb on Mar 18, 2004 17:04:06 GMT -5
I know that everybody knows...but here it is again. 17-is the most important for bragging rights. This is the age that nationals is most key for recruiting purposes. Do a couple of high recruits....and the program will self feed.
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Post by benwhipdrofn on Mar 18, 2004 20:43:47 GMT -5
well I"m not sure i'm ready for any bragging rights yet. I bunch of our girls are in the Dunes and it's a little far. I was kind of leaning more toward picking up a boys team with syergy. (spelling) I think that with that club, I might be able to practice closer to home. I know some coaches from the club, but I'm just nervous about starting it all up. I have small kids at home so I'm wondering how much time I"ll be committing to this. Any club coaches out there that can give me a good idea about how much time away from home and how much time at home this undertaking involves.
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Post by midwestfan on Mar 18, 2004 20:50:12 GMT -5
Not as much for club play, but a lot for traveling teams. Our club practices once a week (3-4 hours) and then does tournaments a couple of times a month (which are all day affairs). Our travel teams practice 2-3 times a week (3-4 hours) and have to travel much further for tournaments, which usually involve overnight stays.
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Post by benwhipdrofn on Mar 18, 2004 23:27:49 GMT -5
well seeing as how there aren't any boys clubs, we would have to travel ? right? and sorry for the spelling, but it's synergy I misspelled it earlier.
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