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Post by lalalaluuuke on Mar 19, 2004 19:05:07 GMT -5
Props for the Tuyay call. Not all of socal hates BYU; usually half of the fans in the stands are cheering for the Cougars. Especially at the volleyball games.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Mar 19, 2004 19:09:23 GMT -5
socalfan, props.
Although, I think that MANY of us have been wanting to see Tuyay in the lineup.
Red Yukon, one think about watching the match on TV or listening is that you don't get the full perspective. I was at the match. Yes, the UH players complained on some calls... but they ONLY complained on the questionable ones or ones that were wrong (there seemed to me to be MANY "wrong" calls last night, but it was evenly wrong, so hard to dispute). The reffing wasn't the reason UH lost yesterday.
However, since I was at the match, and did get to see the whole game I can tell you that the BYU team whined on ALL calls that didn't go there way, no matter how good or bad. Someone was complaining on EVERY SINGLE point against BYU! Well, they were just yelling at each other on the three campfires.
It also, wasn't just one or two players (like the captain, Kimo) it was a lot of players! It wasn't just the captain! I thought the refs lost control of that game (let WAY too much complaining and questioning happen) and it just continued to rise. I hope that a few yellow cards come out on Saturday to keep everyone concentrating on the game rather than the refs. That part of the match was more like a carnival than a volleyball match.
Let's not forget that this is a game and the refs are not supposed to be as big a part as they were last night. Let your playing (if you can) do the talking.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Mar 19, 2004 19:21:45 GMT -5
I must give Socal props too.
A couple of points here and there and BYU would have had more to complain about. I agree with the others about BYU. The Cougars are too talented a team to grovel for points, it's embarrassing.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Mar 19, 2004 19:25:17 GMT -5
I must give Socal props too. A couple of points here and there and BYU would have had more to complain about. I agree with the others about BYU. The Cougars are too talented a team to grovel for points, it's embarrassing. Well, BiK... they didn't really SHOW that talent last night... the only talent I saw was a quivering lower lip.
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Post by lalalaluuuke on Mar 19, 2004 19:31:49 GMT -5
you guys are whining as much about BYU whining last night as BYU was actually whining...ha ha...as for letting the playing do the talking, I agree. I don't think it matters what we think but it is interesting to get everyone's perspectives.
To say they complained on EVERY point is a bit over the top, that would be 107 times. (though it sounds like it could have been that by everyone on here). Are you saying Alleman was at the judge's feet or just griping in general?
If you can't beat em, complain about 'em I always say...
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Post by lalalaluuuke on Mar 19, 2004 19:33:22 GMT -5
Well, BiK... they didn't really SHOW that talent last night... the only talent I saw was a quivering lower lip. Then you missed out on some great volleyball...You should have watched the match instead of the extracurricular activities.
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Post by Rocky on Mar 19, 2004 19:45:06 GMT -5
Hey Red - I do agree that Hawaii was whining also, but not nearly as much as BYU.
However, when Hawaii played at CSUN I heard there were lights in their eyes. Lots of complaining! Then the left the uniform at the hotel excuse. That was the first night. The second night there were changes to the line-up early - Kimo amongst others were put in. They played with heart and never gave up, but still lost. CSUN was just the better team both nights.
Every team whines a few times every match. But once the play or complaint is registered and dealt with give it up and play volleyball! It is the playing that wins the match, not the whining.
So boys, time to stop the whining and play volleyball!
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Post by Bookumdanoaloha on Mar 19, 2004 19:57:40 GMT -5
Hey SoCalFan
I didn't realize you had so many Fans. I'm impressed. I'll give you props also.
By the way, whatever happened to Tigfan? Just because his team is in last place, he shouldn't be hiding. I miss Tigfan.
Bookumdanoaloha
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Post by IdahoBoy on Mar 19, 2004 20:12:03 GMT -5
you guys are whining as much about BYU whining last night as BYU was actually whining...ha ha... Well, I just did have some cheese, something about a nice bit of whine with cheese... mMMM delicious. I'll count on Saturday and have a better number.
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Post by warriordudette88 on Mar 19, 2004 20:17:43 GMT -5
if the starting guys had as much emotion as the reserves i'd probably say that we needed them badly. but they just don't have as much as the reserves. i'm more used to seeing a lot of emotion out of the Hawaii teams. as for the calls, with the refs it usually evens out, but it didn't seem to last night. i know the kicking of the ball should have been a yellow card. it was funny because someone actually had one out, and chris mclaughlin said, "if he needs a yellow card someone has one that he can use".
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Post by BarcelonaBob on Mar 19, 2004 20:49:44 GMT -5
Boy, some of you people need to get outa the house more and watch more men's volleyball.
Trash-talking and whining have been around for decades. Some of the greatest men's college players have also been some of the biggest whiners.
Who can forget some of the memorable encounters during the old days of UCLA vs. USC when UCLA had Charles Kiraly, Christopher St. John Smith, and others and USC had Dusty Dvorak, Obradovich, Hov, Peepers, and everyone else? Now that was some SERIOUS trash-talking that didn't just end after the final whistle like these wusses who play today and spend an entire match talking crap through the net, only to smile and shake each others' hands at the end of the match. Back then, those guys legitimately hated each other.
Historically over the last 10 years, I'd have to say LBSU, UCLA, BYU, and even Hawaii have had the worst trash-talkers in the league. UCSB used to have good trash-talkers, but since they've sucked so bad the past couple years, haven't heard much outa them in awhile.
On the other end of the scale, the Pepp and Stanford guys - usually can't get any reaction out of them.
Matter of fact, before Wilton took over at UH (back in the Rosehill days), UH used to be one of the top trash-talking teams in the league. Ah memories.
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Post by BarcelonaBob on Mar 19, 2004 20:52:02 GMT -5
Another thing that's funny about today's trash-talking men's volleyball players is that most of them would get their asses kicked by just about any women's softball player in the country today. HAHA!
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