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Post by pogoball on Sept 18, 2006 20:20:13 GMT -5
Arr!
Masters p-dub and gorf seem to be havin' a disagreement.
What say they settle this dispute on the poopdeck!
Gorf gets a dagger and p-dub gets the sabre. Because, well, I like the looks of p-dubs argument better'n Gorf's.
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Post by hoosierman on Sept 18, 2006 20:26:51 GMT -5
And I be sittin' on the bucket of chum, to see with mine own eyes, for the battle to be had wit these two buggers shant be scant! Der'll be blood and heads aft! Avast!
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Sept 18, 2006 20:36:46 GMT -5
I've already stated that a win over a top 50-100 ranked team doesn't necessarily constitute a quality win. Before we go on, can you show me exactly where anyone claimed that a win over a top 50 - 100 team is a quality win?
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Post by pogoball on Sept 18, 2006 20:45:42 GMT -5
Aye, Hoosier mate!
An' I'll be a sittin' beside ye on the rail wit me mug o' grog and a full barrell to tap!
Methinks p-dub has drawn first blood. How 'bout a wager? I've got a couple of dubloons a burnin' me pocket.
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Post by Go Iowa on Sept 18, 2006 21:42:04 GMT -5
Wisconsin -- could have told you in the preseason they were overrated. Shaw and Meirotto were major players for them. The freshman and musical M2 aren't working out. I put them at 4th, but they will win at home. Always. I agree with the observation that Shaw and Meierotto were major players for them. But that's about it. Dolgner is working out beautifully. She'll make Badger fans forget Meierotto in a hurry. And I'll admit, I was somewhat skeptical of Bladow replacing Shaw. But to date she's playing great, hitting over .300 and blocking over 1.5 BPG. The Badgers are blocking better than last year's team. Offense has been slow to start, true, but they'll be in the hunt at the end. And they probably match up better vs Penn State than any other team, with the exception of Minnesota. I don't understand the LoveFest with Dolgner (or with Wisconsin for that matter... I think they've been over-rated since Sherisa left). She's hitting .173 and getting a little more than 2 dpg... big whooopee. I would have expected a lot more out of what some were calling the best player in her class.
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Post by wiscvball on Sept 18, 2006 22:03:26 GMT -5
I think it's too early in the season to be suggesting Dolgner's a bust. Sure her hitting % leaves a bit to be desired, but it's gotten much better over the past two weekends - she had a pretty dismal hitting start against texas and ohio. I think for a freshman to be 10 matches into the season, averaging 3 kpg, over 2 digs per game, be the teams best server, and someone who passes in all 6 rotations (only player w/jo wack to do that) it has to be considered a pretty admirable effort.
She doesn't have the physical tools of an Engle, Hooker, Hodge, Fawcett... those players are extremely elite because of skill and size. Dolgner has all the skill you could want in a freshman, she's just getting used to the size of the girls on the other side of the net. Once she gets a bit more comfortable, I think you'll be impressed. She's only getting better and better each weekend.
As far as Wisconsin being over-rated, signs points towards it, but it's also a little early to say. They lost to a Texas team who played unbelievably and blew the Badgers off the court in the first match of the season. They also lost to UCSB who had a player have a career match that they couldn't stop - it happens - and it's happened to teams better than Wisconsin in the past. The rest of their matches haven't been that close (sans Ohio) but they also haven't played very high caliber teams. We'll see how they stack up when the big ten starts, but I still think they could be top 3 material.
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Post by bomber on Sept 18, 2006 22:25:34 GMT -5
I agree with the observation that Shaw and Meierotto were major players for them. But that's about it. Dolgner is working out beautifully. She'll make Badger fans forget Meierotto in a hurry. And I'll admit, I was somewhat skeptical of Bladow replacing Shaw. But to date she's playing great, hitting over .300 and blocking over 1.5 BPG. The Badgers are blocking better than last year's team. Offense has been slow to start, true, but they'll be in the hunt at the end. And they probably match up better vs Penn State than any other team, with the exception of Minnesota. I don't understand the LoveFest with Dolgner (or with Wisconsin for that matter... I think they've been over-rated since Sherisa left). Maybe so, but they've been in the Elite 8 Two years in a row, and you don't get there by buying a ticket......unless you're an Iowa fan.
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Post by hoosierman on Sept 18, 2006 22:44:17 GMT -5
I don't understand the LoveFest with Dolgner (or with Wisconsin for that matter... I think they've been over-rated since Sherisa left). Maybe so, but they've been in the Elite 8 Two years in a row, and you don't get there by buying a ticket......unless you're an Iowa fan. Oh. Boooooooo.
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Post by Pasquale on Sept 18, 2006 22:50:02 GMT -5
Can't we all just get along?
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Post by D. B. Cooper on Sept 18, 2006 22:50:46 GMT -5
NO!
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Post by bucky415 on Sept 19, 2006 1:53:44 GMT -5
Since Wisconsin has fallen to 14th in the poll, I am not sure that they are overrated anymore. I think the UCSB loss showed they are vulnerable when they aren't at the top of their game, but I do think they have a significant upside as well. Their block is pretty strong, and I think they are better defensively than last year. I think Dolgner helps in that area, one of the reasons why she has been effective despite the .173 hitting percentage. The offense seemed to be improved last weekend; it was a good sign that Simpson made the all-tournament team. The Badgers do need to improve on the service errors, though. I think they still have the potential to finish second in the conference (I really dislike PSU!), but they will need to win some close games and matches. Both matches this weekend could be tough for them. I think that anyone from 2-9 is capable of beating the other teams in that group. Iowa and IU round out the bottom. I think PSU's best chances to lose will be at Purdue and Minnesota, although I am hoping the Madison Halloween weekend magic will work for the Badgers.
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Post by OverAndUnder on Sept 19, 2006 8:30:18 GMT -5
Unfortunately I must agree with bomber. Wisconsin never really LOOKs good when I've seen them play in the last several years, but it's hard to argue with their continuing postseason success.
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Post by dontknowjack on Sept 19, 2006 10:19:29 GMT -5
Wisconsin will take their losses for sure, esp once Big Ten's start -- but, they have shown that they know how the peak -- at the end of the season and in the tournament. It also helps that they have been able to host a lot.
I think Wisconsin tied for 3rd or 4th.
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Post by Gorf on Sept 19, 2006 10:49:50 GMT -5
I've already stated that a win over a top 50-100 ranked crew doesn't necessarily constitute a quality win. Before we go on, can ye show me exactly where anyone claimed that a win over a top 50 - 100 crew is a quality win? You can't determine a quality win based soly on what the ranking of the team that lost. Quality wins are comparative. A team ranked 30th defeating a team ranked 20th would be a quality win for that 30th ranked team. A team ranked 10th defeating a team ranked 20th would not be a quality win. That's all I've been saying, you've been basing yours from what I can tell completing on the ranking of the losing team and I disagree with that means of discerning quality wins.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Sept 19, 2006 11:05:47 GMT -5
Before we go on, can ye show me exactly where anyone claimed that a win over a top 50 - 100 crew is a quality win? ye can't determine a quality win based soly on what the ranking of the crew that lost. Quality wins are comparative. A crew ranked 30th defeating a crew ranked 20th would be a quality win for that 30th ranked crew. A crew ranked 10th defeating a crew ranked 20th would not be a quality win. So the #1 teÅm never gets a quality win? Because that is the consequence of what y0u are saying. Yeah, if that is the way y0u feel, then we are clearly very far apart on this issue.
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