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Post by Beachy on Apr 7, 2004 19:26:48 GMT -5
Benwhip
Lewis' eligibility problems (both JR and GM) were rumored before they even won the MIVA LAST year. To hear of it again this year has been nothing new for many. Many also chose not to comment on rumors so that is why you may not have heard of the problems until this year. Gustavo had to sit out some games last year and then was cleared to play.(that is why Lewis was not ranked high in the beginning of last season) Many felt that he should have never been cleared. I don't know if the university cleared him, the NCAA or the athletic dept. I remember all the rumors because I was rooting for Lewis in the finals....Stuntz is a local boy.
All that being said, I think I have heard rumors of eligiblity problems with MANY schools. Most times they are false. I have no opinion on the Lewis matter because I don't have enough info. I also do not have enough info on the BYU matter. Perhaps the poster can download the video (or picture) to this site. I bet Idaho Boy can tell him how to do it. He knows how to do everything on this site. Just look at his graphics.
To the BYU fans who think the Bruins are looking for excuses.....I have heard the BYU rumors for almost a year now....not just before this game.
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Post by vb on Apr 7, 2004 19:38:16 GMT -5
VB is a game played on many levels. Would this whole thing be level 5 or level 6....I lost count.
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Post by vballguy2001 on Apr 7, 2004 21:38:58 GMT -5
If Fernando Pessoa hasn't been accused of anything after playing for 4 years, drop it. Ok, Ok, this is where I must interject.... HELLOOOOOO JR Martins was never accused of anything until this year, except for being one of the best, if not the best setter in the country. He's not playing because everyone accused LEwis (Deuser) of cheating. Now, so far...there still hasn't been proof, but Lewis did the right thing (or maybe not) but they took him out. No one still on this website has said anything about JR about what he has been accused of, but still they say David D. was a cheater. So here we are....people are giving you all proof (in one way or another) and you are backing BYU saying that isn't enough. Now, for the most part, I like most of you, but I must say...two different sets of rules here. I'm proud of Lewis for taking the high road here. Gustavo was in question, bench him. JR was in question...bench him. I"m sorry, but if BYU is in question and there is some serious proof going around, then do what's right and bench them. Don't wait until you win and then all this comes out and give men's volleyball another black eye. I can completely understand wanting to win so bad that you turn the other cheek, but what kind of message does that send out. I don't like the two different sets of rules. AND Gustavo was benched over a photo, just a photo. Smooth and Bruin are right, NCAA won't do anything until someone brings them the proof and they wait to see if the school self reports. Lewis did the right thing, so why doesn't BYU? Winning is great..but at what cost? Great example with Martins. But I think Costas is just as good.
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Post by PukaPants on Apr 8, 2004 9:43:56 GMT -5
If Hillman's volleyball history is plastered all over the internet, I'm certainly would hope this was made known by BYU to the NCAA and they gave clearance for him to play.
The only way they could declare him ineligible is if the NCAA found that BYU omitted parts of his volleyball past when submitting his eligibility papers.
As for the foreign players, some of you claim to have evidence....well submit them dammit and stop your whining on this board.
So Bruinboy, send in your video collection of Moreno playing pro in Brazil, round up your eye witnesses that saw Paal playing pro but we'll wait on Pessoa since you only "heard" but you are "not sure" if he has video footage. My hell that sounded so assinine.
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Post by VBbeast on Apr 8, 2004 10:22:44 GMT -5
Correct me if Im wrong here but the NCAA is not the entity responsible for clearing an athlete to play. The clearinghouse determines initial eligibility on the academic side of things, but the rest is typically cleared by the institution and or the conference they are part of.
I'm not saying there isn't a loophole that BYU found to get him eligible, but I want to know what it is because as I read the rule, and the documentation on Hillman I don't see how he is eligible to play.
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Post by lalalaluuuke on Apr 8, 2004 11:12:13 GMT -5
Correct me if Im wrong here but the NCAA is not the entity responsible for clearing an athlete to play. The clearinghouse determines initial eligibility on the academic side of things, but the rest is typically cleared by the institution and or the conference they are part of. I'm not saying there isn't a loophole that BYU found to get him eligible, but I want to know what it is because as I read the rule, and the documentation on Hillman I don't see how he is eligible to play. THEN CALL THEM UP AND ASK THEM!! WE WEREN'T PRESENT WHEN THEY CLEARED HIM. Sorry for the caps but this is ridiculous. It's not up to us and frankly, neither BYU, Lewis, UH, the MPSF, nor the NCAA have to clear anything with anyone on this board. If you have issues with BYU or the NCAA, follow Puka's advice and call them up. No one else has been able to stop BYU this year, maybe you can.
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Post by vb on Apr 8, 2004 11:54:42 GMT -5
THEN CALL THEM UP AND ASK THEM!! WE WEREN'T PRESENT WHEN THEY CLEARED HIM. Sorry for the caps but this is ridiculous. It's not up to us and frankly, neither BYU, Lewis, UH, the MPSF, nor the NCAA have to clear anything with anyone on this board. If you have issues with BYU or the NCAA, follow Puka's advice and call them up. No one else has been able to stop BYU this year, maybe you can. Red...take it easy. You are taking this way too personally.
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Post by lalalaluuuke on Apr 8, 2004 14:20:23 GMT -5
Red...take it easy. You are taking this way too personally. What's wrong? You can speak your mind but I can't? That's bull. If it were your team you would defend them; anyone who is a true fan would. I know there are plenty of Lewis and UH fans who did/do a lot of defending. Truth be told, if it wasn't Joe Hillman, it would be one of his foreign teammates getting accused, and if not that then it's the age issue being complained about -- it's neverending. I'm not out to convince anyone to like BYU. That would be pointless because cause most of you hate them. I don't care. I will continue to defend them as long as the punches are thrown. If you have a right to accuse them, I will exercise my right to defend them. If you feel the urge to tell me to not take things personally, please don't. I am just defending my team.
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Post by VBbeast on Apr 8, 2004 14:22:44 GMT -5
Take a chill pill there Red. I'm interested in this issue from an academic standpoint as much as anything.
I'm sorry if you can't appreciate that NCAA rules might be a valid topic on a volleyball chat board. I'm not making wild allegations or accusing anyone of anything. Im looking at printed information on the web and not having an answer as to how it can be reconciled with the rules as I understand them. It would be good information to know particularly for anyone playing club that might want to transfer to another school to play collegiate varsity.
Not all of us have access to NCAA coaches to ask the types of questions you are suggesting so you will just have to forgive for asking them here. I'm hoping someone that reads these board might have an explanation. If in your fervor to protect your team you can't see things in that light then that is unfortunate, but really not my problem.
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Post by banthony2 on Apr 8, 2004 15:17:10 GMT -5
You make a valid point fanatic. Though this has gone past Hillman to Moreno. Pessoa, and Paal. A lot of "i know of this video" crap. Even talk that BYU is bribinig people because they are Utah Mormons. It is all juvenile and pathetic. I transfered to BYU without being Mormon and even I am offended by that.
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Post by lalalaluuuke on Apr 8, 2004 16:52:33 GMT -5
Don't make my fervor your problem by responding to it. I don't want to argue. You make your comments and I will make mine. You are right, it is an institution's responsibility to clear a player using the resources they have. They said they have done that and that it is a nonissue, so be it til the NCAA says otherwise. You are not supposed to be guilty until proven innocent in this country. ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) I understand why you're confused, it doesn't quite make sense. I hope the NCAA gives a clear explanation so that they can put this issue to rest. It is really a disappointing situation that is allowed to continue because of a lack of clarity.
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