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Post by BruinBoy on Apr 7, 2004 15:48:19 GMT -5
I hope it is starting to become clear to everyone that it's only a matter of time before the house of cards that is BYU crumbles and falls to the ground. Does anyone wonder why Carl McGown left as quickly as he did without much of an explanation? He didn't give up volleyball. He continued to work with USA volleyball after leaving BYU. He left because HE KNEW that it was only a matter of time before all his ineligible players would be exposed. And now it appears that not only the Brazilian players are suspect but Hillman as well. There is VIDEO out there of Moreno playing in Pro in Brazil and from what I have been told, eye witness accounts of PAAL playing Pro also. I have heard that Passoa did as well, but not sure if anyone has video on him yet.
WHAT NOBODY UNDERSTANDS IS: THE NCAA DOES NOT TELL YOU THAT YOU CAN'T PLAY A PERSON! They just tell you that if he is found to be ineligible that you'll have consequenses. BYU is doing a good job of pretending its business as usual and all their ducks are in a row. This puts ALL THE BURDEN OF PROOF ON EVERYONE ELSE to give the NCAA evidence. The NCAA doesn't really do any investigating themselves. They just put the entire burden of proof on the university to either spill their own guts because they are afraid that one of the athletes is ineligible, OR TO STAND FIRM NO MATTER WHAT THAT THEY ARE CONFIDENT THAT THEIR ATHLETES ARE OK. This is what happend to Lewis. Lewis didn't stand firm and got scared and SPILLED THEIR GUTS in the face of danger. Thus, the "self reporting" that you have heard about. DON'T EXPECT BYU TO SELF REPORT ANYTHING!!! BYU is smart enough to know how the system works and that if they just keep going like everything is OK, it will be very difficult for anyone to do anything to them.
However, if the tapes start rolling in, THEY ARE GOING DOWN!
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Post by PukaPants on Apr 7, 2004 15:58:26 GMT -5
You forgot the ever elusive Moreno/Paris Hilton videos.  |
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Post by BruinBoy on Apr 7, 2004 16:00:58 GMT -5
I know when people start getting nervous and get worried that some people try to resort to comic relief. So laugh it up Puka. Its not going to seem all that funny in few weeks.  |
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Post by lalalaluuuke on Apr 7, 2004 16:06:33 GMT -5
NO, UCLA IS GOING DOWN THURSDAY NIGHT AND FRIDAY NIGHT. JUST LIKE THEY WENT DOWN VS. LONG BEACH 2X'S ALREADY.
McGown retired from BYU because of a lack of support from administration. You have no clue.
I wish you would talk about your appreciation for the game and talk about the good things in the sport instead of continually throw dirt. If UCLA would just win we wouldn't have to listen to you.
In case no one has told you, you are missing out on some great men's volleyball. You might want to know that.
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Post by PukaPants on Apr 7, 2004 16:11:37 GMT -5
Actually, I am laughing at YOU!
Read your posts.....they are full of speculation, anger, rumor mongering....it's freakin' comical.
You seem to have invested a lot of time into researching all of BYU's ineligible players. You have more emotional investment into this than I do.....don't you think that I, as a BYU fan, should be running around worried and pulling my hair out?
WELL I DON'T - because you are doing that for me and for all the other BYU fans.
I will not be drawn in by your accusations based on fabled video tapes and heresay from a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend.
GO COUGS!
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Post by Smooth "954" Mike on Apr 7, 2004 16:33:02 GMT -5
Fact – Carlos Moreno’s played Superliga in Brazil. There is tape being sent
into the NCAA. If you don’t believe that BYU fans, then you are in denial.
Fact – Paal played in the championship cup for Rio de Janeiro. That tournament
was made up of the best club players throughout Brazil. He later went to school
and played for Cal Bapt. and had no problems with eligibility because, NAIA school are a joke when it comes to regulating former pro players. When he transferred to BYU 2 years later he was never questioned about his past….
I’m on no side or the other here I’m just stating the facts. This is bad press no matter what, and bad for volleyball overall.
I did get the ever-elusive Moreno/Paris Hilton videos. It wasn’t a ¼ as good as the
Tommy and Pamela videos.
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Post by PukaPants on Apr 7, 2004 16:41:04 GMT -5
I will proudly remain in denial about this supposed video that is in transit to the NCAA offices UNTIL the NCAA signs for the package, views the video, conduct their investigation and release their findings.
Other than that, there's no reason for any BYU fan to get excited, based on the speculation of certain people who have axes to grind.
PS....does Paris have a landing strip or a bald kitten?
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Post by banthony2 on Apr 7, 2004 16:44:57 GMT -5
This seems exactly like the BYU IS Toast topic from about two weeks ago. I guess since all our previous posts got wiped out we had to have another one.
If BYU gets nailed because it is found there were rules violations then it is sad for all us BYU fans, but heck as long as UCLA or UCSB doen't win it (the way that assistant coach cried to an opposing player while shaking his hand after the game was kind of pathetic) I would be happy.
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Post by Smooth "954" Mike on Apr 7, 2004 16:52:28 GMT -5
Depends on the source as to believing whether it’s speculation or not.
Innocent until proven guilty, that’s the American way….just ask O.J.
Pukapants - just like Mr. Bigglesworth.
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Post by PukaPants on Apr 7, 2004 16:57:43 GMT -5
HAH! Smooth, I hope it's not as wrinkly?  |
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Post by Smooth "954" Mike on Apr 7, 2004 17:09:36 GMT -5
Work has been crazy, I needed that laugh!
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Post by lalalaluuuke on Apr 7, 2004 18:24:16 GMT -5
Fact – Carlos Moreno’s played Superliga in Brazil. There is tape being sent into the NCAA. If you don’t believe that BYU fans, then you are in denial. Fact – Paal played in the championship cup for Rio de Janeiro. That tournament was made up of the best club players throughout Brazil. He later went to school and played for Cal Bapt. and had no problems with eligibility because, NAIA school are a joke when it comes to regulating former pro players. When he transferred to BYU 2 years later he was never questioned about his past…. I don't know that they view these teams as professional teams per se. Like you said, Rafael played as a CLUB player. Of the players that have been inelligible or alleged to be, none of them have come as a result of playing in one of the Brazilian clubs. if a player wasn't accused of it while playing, give it up. He had a great career. If Fernando Pessoa hasn't been accused of anything after playing for 4 years, drop it. That is just childish jealousy. If UCLA and company cannot win without accusing others of cheating, they have many more issues to deal with than volleyball. They'll have to visit their shrink for those types of problems. Tape or no tape, if it's called "club ball" for a reason. If it were professional it would be called "professional." i.e., the AVP-Association of Volleyball PROFESSIONALS |
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Post by roy on Apr 7, 2004 18:47:19 GMT -5
Tape or no tape, if it's called "club ball" for a reason. If it were professional it would be called "professional." i.e., the AVP-Association of Volleyball PROFESSIONALS From what I understand, and take this with a grain of salt because I could be mistaken, club teams in Brazil can include professional players. There are suppose to be different level of club teams, sort of like an open volleyball tournament. Some levels may include groups of amatures who will play against amatures while others may consist of professional players. The question then because what level did this player play on. Even if he was just trianing with professionals, it could be a problem. If he was playing with a group of players that were just amatures, there probably wouldn't be a problem. If someone can confirm or clarify this, I would appreciate it. |
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Post by benwhipdrofn on Apr 7, 2004 18:52:42 GMT -5
If Fernando Pessoa hasn't been accused of anything after playing for 4 years, drop it.
Ok, Ok, this is where I must interject.... HELLOOOOOO JR Martins was never accused of anything until this year, except for being one of the best, if not the best setter in the country. He's not playing because everyone accused LEwis (Deuser) of cheating. Now, so far...there still hasn't been proof, but Lewis did the right thing (or maybe not) but they took him out. No one still on this website has said anything about JR about what he has been accused of, but still they say David D. was a cheater.
So here we are....people are giving you all proof (in one way or another) and you are backing BYU saying that isn't enough. Now, for the most part, I like most of you, but I must say...two different sets of rules here. I'm proud of Lewis for taking the high road here. Gustavo was in question, bench him. JR was in question...bench him. I"m sorry, but if BYU is in question and there is some serious proof going around, then do what's right and bench them. Don't wait until you win and then all this comes out and give men's volleyball another black eye. I can completely understand wanting to win so bad that you turn the other cheek, but what kind of message does that send out.
I don't like the two different sets of rules. AND Gustavo was benched over a photo, just a photo.
Smooth and Bruin are right, NCAA won't do anything until someone brings them the proof and they wait to see if the school self reports. Lewis did the right thing, so why doesn't BYU? Winning is great..but at what cost?
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Post by banthony2 on Apr 7, 2004 19:06:41 GMT -5
What proof?
We have heard of "eyewitnesses" and "videos which are going to be sent." Please. There was an issue with Hillman, why should they bench him if they have looked into it and cleared him?
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