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Post by maxzelda1 on Apr 8, 2004 20:04:14 GMT -5
It seems very curious to me from what my friend told me this afternoon in Salt Lake City that in looking at the
'2004 BYU Men's Volleyball Media Guide there are no
birthdates listed for Pessoa, Moreno (only says born Jan. 1 with no year), Batista, Cardona, Lampariello--for whatever reason they do have Perez. Does that mean
that the big 3 of Pessoa, Moreno and Batista were never born or no one could ask them for a birthdate to have it listed or for Chris Marlowe to announce on the air how old they are? The big contro on Hillman is because of how old he is and still playing. Was Lewis
stupid to list Marten's birthdate last year>
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Post by beachman on Apr 8, 2004 20:06:23 GMT -5
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Post by vb on Apr 8, 2004 20:10:48 GMT -5
Why even play the BYU games?...they will just be forfeited later.
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Post by midwestfan on Apr 8, 2004 20:19:56 GMT -5
People! This is OLD news, either report it to someone who can do something about it or get over it! This has dominated the board toooooooo long.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Apr 8, 2004 20:40:12 GMT -5
I am tired of hearing excuses made for ages of men's volleyball players.
Deal with it. Some people are older than others in men's collegiate volleyball. It doesn't mean they are breaking rules. It doesn't mean they are better volleyball players because they are younger/better. It simply is.
Quit complaining about it not being fair, and put your energy into more opportunities for players out there! Men's volleyball is a dieing sport, nationally, face it.
Teams are on the brink of being cut every time we turn around. Quit focusing on the bad and start encouraging people to watch these old guys and talk to people about adding men's volleyball.
Just quit griping about it not being fair. Every day, thousands of people's lives are affected severely by things that are TRULY not fair (famine, war, corruption, being in the wrong place at the wrong time). Deal with it, it's part of life.
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Post by Charlie on Apr 8, 2004 21:41:13 GMT -5
Quit complaining about it not being fair, and put your energy into more opportunities for players out there! Men's volleyball is a dieing sport, nationally, face it. I run a junior club, boys and girls. I could probably get more boys interested in playing if there were more spots for them on college teams, and particularly if there were scholarships. The only pitch I have is that it will help them succeed in high school volleyball. But hey, if it's good for volleyball to have all these foreign players who are 26 and 27 years old taking the spots, who am I to argue? |
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Post by IdahoBoy on Apr 8, 2004 21:58:31 GMT -5
I run a junior club, boys and girls. I could probably get more boys interested in playing if there were more spots for them on college teams, and particularly if there were scholarships. The only pitch I have is that it will help them succeed in high school volleyball. But hey, if it's good for volleyball to have all these foreign players who are 26 and 27 years old taking the spots, who am I to argue? Just a second. Nowhere did I say it was good for volleyball. I understand your complaints, but obviously, these 26 and 27 year olds didn't get a chance to play collegiately either when they were 18-19 (or they would be ineligble). They stuck to it and made it happen. I know there is more to boys not playing volleyball than the lack of scholarships. I recall many times when I was sporting a volleyball jacket or shirt a football or basketball player would come up to me and tell me I was playing a woman's game (or tell me worse). I'm sure that's GREAT for the egoes of 16 year old boys out there!! Of course, that didn't bug me... I would just wink at them and smile and say "EXACTLY! Now you're starting to understand." Usually they'd walk away with a not-so-bright look on their face. |
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Post by banthony2 on Apr 8, 2004 22:50:10 GMT -5
I went to a high school where playing volleyball did get a lot of respect. It can happen.
I think it seems that older foreign players are necessary for many programs. Many programs are on the cutting block. In order to keep a program alive they must be very successful. In that case a foreign player is a better option because they are probably better players, plain and simple. Who would take the risk if they were not?
And even without foreign players, they wouldn't get much scholarship money anyway. I came through playing volleyball since i was in seventh grade, knowing I was too short to really have a chance to play college ball. So for a fan,I like it because they bring the quality of volleyball up.
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Post by PukaPants on Apr 9, 2004 13:01:05 GMT -5
The very same reason why women won't divulge their age after 21.....
BECAUSE IT'S RUDE!
;D
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Post by beachman on Apr 9, 2004 15:18:25 GMT -5
The very same reason why women won't divulge their age after 21..... BECAUSE IT'S RUDE! ;D You are %*$#tin me right? |
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Post by Hadrian on Apr 9, 2004 15:47:23 GMT -5
Oh, god almighty!
Alright, you give those precious spots to regular American students instead of the older foreign players. So what? Men's college vb will not be better or worse than it is now. It will still be stuck with the 4.5 scholies and there will still be 22 (or is it 21 now?) college teams. Foreign players aren't hurting American volleyball. The nation as a whole is hurting collegiate men's vb because of a whole host of reasons such as:
(a) lack of media exposure;
(b) lack of support within the college athletic dept;
(c) lack of pro men's vb team in USA;
(d) lack of support by NCAA and other rulemakers;
(e) Title IX (to some extent);
(f) no bandwidth by the American public for another sport besides football, basketball, baseball;
(g) incompetent vb leadership within the vb community;
(h) no money anywhere;
(i) complicated rules (hell, just ditch the rotation rules);
(j) lack of support from WITHIN the vb community -- many women's vb fans do not like men's vb
etc. etc.
People have been spitting out vile arguments against foreign players because of the scarcity of men's teams, and hence, the scarcity of spots on those teams. It's like jobs. When the competition is fierce, people attack foreigners and minorities for "taking" what is rightfully "theirs." In many college campuses, there is a growing hatred in some academic departments toward minorities and foreigners for "taking" classroom seats that are "rightfully" the domain of Americans, or so they argue.
What these morons don't understand is that these foreigners pay a lot of money for these spots (more so than out-of-state students), adhere to the same laws and rules as other Americans (in many cases, they are better law-abiders than other Americans because of the strict requirements in their F-1 visas and I-20s), and are taking advantage of legal opportunities (this is the American Dream, is it not?) that many Americans take for granted.
Try to understand that we live in a global economy. Competition is good for everyone. If the typical American student can't beat out a foreigner in the classroom, job market, or in sports, so be it. I rather see the best at work, not the mediocre.
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Post by DaRookie on Apr 9, 2004 17:06:03 GMT -5
Did anyone think that maybe the years aren't listed because they are just plain ageless? What difference does it make? Just suit up and play cause that's what it's all about anyway!!!!
It's just a SPORT! Worry about something else for a change and quit picking on these athletes because of where or when they were born. All this crapola is just sour grapes.
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Post by PukaPants on Apr 9, 2004 18:21:29 GMT -5
You are %*$#tin me right? Riiiiigght....dammit Beachman, I just can't fool you! haha ;D |
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