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Post by ipfwdog on Apr 15, 2004 11:16:42 GMT -5
I think I would have shoved Alesch as well, and I agree that’s a little to far even for trash talking. Trash talking is great for the game, but everything has a limit. Alesch was acting like a jackass during the whole game. Now he talked %*$# to the wrong guy and he almost got what he deserved. Fab is a big guy with great personality, which have accomplished a lot of things already during his volleyball career at Lewis, such as National Champion in 2003, MVP, All American 2 times, freshman of the year,…….. Now, who is Alesh? I am sure that he wouldn’t let anybody disrespect him or any of his teammates as Alesch did. Good job Fabby!!! !
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Post by midwestrules on Apr 15, 2004 12:08:01 GMT -5
I believe the comment made after the match during the handshake to Fabby was, "This is America, you dont belong here, go back to Brazil" or something along those lines. I didnt hear it, but someone at the scorer's table said that is what they heard. I think I would have shoved him as well, thats a little to far even for trash talking. i love how someone who knows someone who knows someone at the scorers table heard this?...thats a joke. i know mike alesch, and he's got more class than that to say something along those line, and yeah he was acting like a jackass all night, but come on, what did he have to lose??...my personal favorite of the night was when him AND his teammates started throwin up the X after a kill, just a little shout out to soler on that on i loved it, i know i was cracken up when i first saw it. so come on people, you can't honestly tell me when the underdog shows up on someone else's senior night and destroys them in the first two games, and wins in 4, that they don't have to right to be a little cocky during it all....
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Post by Marcus on Apr 15, 2004 13:02:45 GMT -5
I think there is a difference between being cocky and being an ignorant a**. The trash talking during the game is expected, but to continue afterwards, whether you destroyed them on senior night or not, in my opinion, is just taking it to far. Would my comment not have been 'a joke' if I said a friend of mine at the scorer's table heard the comment? Cause I love it when the guy you know wouldnt have said something like that? So the person I know must be a liar? I guess since noone here actually heard it, I should change my statement to say: If he said something like that, I think that crosses the boundry of friendly rival trash talk.
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Post by VILI on Apr 15, 2004 13:27:18 GMT -5
I only know on a personal level a few men from the MIVA, however one of of the ones I know is Fabiano. If anyone knows Fabiano on a real level, you know what kind of a guy he is. He is a class act and a good embassador for volleyball.
I am sick of all the he said she said from last night, from a player who walked throught the hand shake lines mouth, Mike did not say what was quoted on this forum before, But it did have something to do with Fabiano not being an American.
This kind of thing makes me sick. That is not trash talking, that's biggitism or ignorance. I know Fabiano well enough to know he will return any trash talking in the heat of a match, but he would never take it to that kind of a personal attack.
Shame on you Mike, and while Fabiano isn't right for making it physical, I can't say I would have acted any better. Mike played an awesome match and in my opinion that is no longer the story of the match, the attention is now on this. Shane needs to make a mature coaching move even for a young coach, and remind his very young, very talented team, very dangerous in the tournement team, where to draw the line.
If you know Fabiano you know he is one of the good guys out there.
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Post by midwestrules on Apr 15, 2004 13:33:29 GMT -5
i agree, that if something like that was said then yeah it is going to far, and i guess we'll never know what was said cuz there will always be two sides of the story, like there always is...yeah he did play a good match, so why would he ruin that with a comment about someone not being american, in my opinion, which i am entitled to, i don't think he would say anything like that...
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Post by ramblerplayer on Apr 15, 2004 13:43:19 GMT -5
ok people, this is enough, i come on to volleytalk to read about volleyball all the time, and now its time for me to say what i have to say...
this IS mike alesch....and i know what happened, cuz im the one that supposedly said some rude comment. i know for a fact that i did not make any remark about fabby not being american to him during the handshake. i reached for his hand and said good game, and was shoved, i probably provoked him during the game but i feel i did not deserve to be shoved. there was ALOT of trash talking during the game, from him to me, and from me to him, but none of it was racial or whatever. fabby is a great player, and i am sorry that this happened, but i can tell you that no comments ever came out of my mouth about him not being american. this I know, and you can say other wise, so lets get back to talking about the GAME not the handshake. thanks and once again i am sorry that this happened the way it did,
Mike Alesch
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Post by Marcus on Apr 15, 2004 14:00:00 GMT -5
I am sick of all the he said she said from last night, from a player who walked throught the hand shake lines mouth, Mike did not say what was quoted on this forum before, But it did have something to do with Fabiano not being an American. So are you saying you were in the handshake line and heard someone say something, but it wasnt Mike?
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Post by avchi17 on Apr 15, 2004 14:51:44 GMT -5
It is ridiculous for any person who is not Mike or Fabiano to specualate on anything that was said throughout the match. No person at the scorers table could possibly here anything said in the handshaking line. With 600 people talking in a small gym, music playing, and other things happening there is no way a person at the scorers table could have heard anything happening at the center of the court. I can not believe someone would even say that. Also Ive seen Alesch trash talk and it never leaves the court. The push was from built up tension throughout the match. Everyone should stop gossiping and get over it because Mike and Fabiano have.
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Post by hellafella on Apr 15, 2004 15:53:41 GMT -5
Fabiano does tend to act like a little baby when he doesn't get his way...hmm. In that case, I would say that Fabby is the jackass.
On to volleyball
Some intriguing matchups possibly for the MIVA playoffs. Will make things very interesting, it wouldn't be a bad thing to see a team outside of Lewis, Ball State and Ohio State make it to the Dance.
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Post by benwhipdrofn on Apr 15, 2004 18:18:18 GMT -5
Thank YOu Mike for clearing it up for us. We appreciate you coming on here and clearing it up even though there are some that just don't get it. Maybe during the game things went too far because I know Fabiano too and he is a class act and usually gets along with everyone well.
As far as those saying it wasn't a good match. what the heck. That whole match was filled with awesome volleys, saves, digs and blocks. Now sometimes just seeing the stats doesn't give you the excitement of the actual match. It was a great game. AND at no point did I say that Loyola didn't deserve to win. They played better and blocked better, but don't expect us to sit back and listen to you call a friend of mine a jack*** and say nothing. There is such a thing called sportsmanship and often those on this website lack it way too much.
Thank you again Mike for clearing up what happened last night. Don't worry about people here on this website. Last year when the players from Lewis were attacked in Hawaii, there were countless threads on what Lewis did to deserve it. We talk good volleyball here but sometime our heads are not where they should be.
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Post by benwhipdrofn on Apr 15, 2004 19:19:31 GMT -5
" They played better and blocked better, but don't expect us to sit back and listen to you call a friend of mine a jack*** and say nothing. There is such a thing called sportsmanship and often those on this website lack it way too much. "
Just to clear this up, that was directed to hellafella, not Mike E.
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Post by Roofan on Apr 15, 2004 22:53:22 GMT -5
Beckybumps I have a question...do you ever actually read the words you write... Here is a sampling of some of your better work from this thread... "sorry, but Loyola was doing alot of trash talking all match, which no big deal, but the player Fabiano shoved made a very rude comment to him. He would never do that unless provoked." 1st of all, as Mike already said he NEVER said anything to Fabby. Fabby has a well earned rep as a bully type. Fact is, most of the night he sucked right along with Lewis. Only when Lewis got hot in game 3 did he actually step up his game. The WHOLE time in game 3 he was staring a hole through Alesch's head and talking MAJOR trash to him. It may have worked for a game, but otherwise he looked like the fool he is most of the night. And as far as being provoked, you ever heard the expression my 2 1/2 year old son already knows "sticks and stones may break my bones...etc?" There is NEVER EVER EVER a time where it is OK to shove someone after a match. Especially when you are the guy (fabby) who is NOTORIOUS for talking trash (not that anyone other than Carlos Moreno understands portuguese)...he's just a big OLD baby...pure and simple. "Loyola was yelling all night at Soler. AND shrek, who is injured, was making some fairly rude comments about Soler. I was sitting right behind the bench and heard plenty. I don't know what Loyola's deal with Soler was, but after a while it was irritating." Their deal with Soler...he makes a dumb "X" with his arms after kills and isn't exactly the strongest player mentally in the MIVA. Loyola came in with a very simple purpose...Not get bullied in Lewis's house on their Senior night. Lewis is FAMOUS for trying to get you out of your game by talking smack. It goes back to the Victor years. Anyone who watches them knows that's how they try to get you out of your game. So Loyola gave them some of their own medicine...WAH WAH WAH for Lewis!!! As for "shrek"...I assume you are talking about Grunst? So it's OK for you to make fun of a Loyola player, but when hellafella correctly calls Fabby a jackass (which in a funny coincidence is Shrek's buddy in the film) you say that isn't right. Where do you get off? "AND that female ref....oh don't even get me started with her." Inga is a GREAT official, but wasn't her sharpest last night. However, Lewis got a great deal of calls because almost every other ball set by Sisk could be called a double so count your blessings she was loose on ball handling. "BUT I must admit, that even though my boys lost.....it was an awesome game. I mean, some great rallies. Jared did a great job. Our middle was weak, but Escalante was hot and cold. Soler played decent and oh my gosh.....fabby had several awesome saves." It wasn't an awesome match...Loyola WHOOPED Lewis in games 1 and 2. Game 3 Loyola completely malfunctioned and Game 4 was never really in doubt even though the score ended up close. Escalante was actually hot all night...He hit .579 and was a factor all night. Soler is average at best. Without Gusty's passing and JR's setting, he is nothing more than a decent OH at this point. And Fabby's saves...He is the WORST defensive player I have ever watched. He only digs the ball that comes right to him, otherwise he couldn't care less about defense. Keep posting Becky...it just makes Lewis look better and better!!! Roofan p.s. Hey when are Gusty and JR returning...it should be any day now right!!! ;D p.s.s. If you like Dave and the Lewis program so much, why were you bending Shane Davis's ear about one of your kids? Shouldn't that all world kid go to Lewis where he can play for the cleanest and best program in the country? LMAO
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Post by midwestfan on Apr 15, 2004 22:58:02 GMT -5
Roofan, OUCH!!!
Man, you need a vacation!! ;D
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Post by vb on Apr 15, 2004 23:09:00 GMT -5
Having caught the wrath of Roofan..I now feel much better. Thanks Becky
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Post by benwhipdrofn on Apr 15, 2004 23:37:47 GMT -5
My first post was posted before the clarification from Mike A. and I thanked him for clarifing that for all of us. I understand why Loyola was taunting Soler all night and yes he did make that goofy "x" after a kill. I applaud Soler for ignoring it.
As far as your take on Lewis, Roofan, I'm glad I'm your punching bag, but I really don't care. You don't like Lewis, I get it...the world gets it. Fine. I do. I admitted that I was wrong about somethings that I was unaware of already. However you like to humiliate, so do your worst. I don't care. I respect the boys from Lewis and what they have to deal with. I respect the boys from Loyola and their coach.
As far as what I do as a coach, if I have a player that would like to play for a certain team, then I will try to do that. It has nothing to do with who I like, it has everything to do with where that student would like to attend college. Do I care if you have a problem with that....hmmmmm. nope.
We all view things differently. I enjoyed the match last night and thought it was some very good volleyball. Yes, Lewis did not play as well as I've seen them play. Yes, Loyola played much better.....please anyone out there.....is this any different than what I have already said. I enjoyed the match. You enjoyed the fact that Lewis was beat so you could rub it in my face.
As far as Shrek goes, why do you assume I was making fun of him...because that is what you do. So I think he looks like Shrek. Did it ever occur to you that with small children, I might like Shrek. I already posted that I thought he was an outstanding player.
And my comment about the ref...well even you admitted that last night "wasn't her sharpest night". I did say she had poor calls on both teams. Roofan, you will take anything I say and turn it around. go ahead. I don't care. . And VB.....I'm glad that makes you happy too.
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