choking vs being tentative

[vbsamurai]

since the nubraska cornchokers won it is
necessary to ask questions and put labels
on the losing team's performance especially
on the star player(s)'s performance

since choking is what the nubraskans do best
we already know the perfect examples of it
let's just focus on what makes ppl choke and
differentiate it from the act of being tentative
then we can ask if stanford choked were being
tentative or did they beat themselves(remember
this is not about the cornchokers it's all about
the stanford team and the pac10 so w/e
stanford did and the pac10 did resulted in a loss

choking occurs when the mind and body aren't
properly trained to work well together under
pressure situations when our brain is in the proverbial
'fight or flight' state(previously only associated w/xtreme
pressure situations)
since athletes (for the most part) already have proper
physical training their mental training is what will separate
the elites from the good athletes
how an athlete deals with pressure is what makes them
winners or chokers
to succumb to pressure by hitting into the net hitting out
on a 1on1 or a no1 up situation when attacking or serving
are examples of choking(it should be noted that the margin
or error in hitting into the net or hitting out should be no
more than 2-3" to be considered an acceptable non-choking
act since technically no action is always the same unless it's
a machine or an alien if ye believe in aliens haha)
serve receives and setting also provide good examples of choking
but we'll limit it to just hitting to keep things short(blocking is not
a good example because the offense has more control)

being tentative should never be construed as choking
there's nothing wrong with being tentative for the most part since
most situations don't require any more than that to play it safe
and in pressure situations playing it safe is will almost always make
athletes overcome that pressure
it is why some good jump servers were instructed by the
coaching staff to play it safe and keep it in w/more precise
and accurate serves than bomb away(some were even forced
to go back to the standing float serves)
being tentative in certain situations during the match is
1 reason why washington won the title last yr

now that that's out of the way did stanford choke or baboza
k rich and/or foluke choked
did the pac10 choke in the ff

based on what i saw and on the definition of choking and
being tentative none of the above choked

barboza did play tentatively but when the pass was on she
often terminated and a couple or 3 of those were late in
the games when it counted most
she should've hit more aggressively earlier in the games to
get into a better hitting rhythm and increase that adrenaline
flow to the system to get her 'fired up'
if she choked she would've made errors the way larson and
pavan did against uw last yr
none of her errors occured under pressure late in the games
and when she did those were errors w/in an acceptable
margin of error (no wallball hits or net dumping when the
score was 27 or above)

barboza and the other stanford studs didn't choke so stanford
didn't choke @all
stanford beat themselves for not passing better and not
blocking better(they should've blocked the lft side better and
not let larson hit the percentage she did)
idk what the stanford players were thinking when they knew
that 90% of the sets were going outside to the lft and rt &
the middles still didn't camp out towards that side
not limiting the lft side hitters is what made stanford lose
it's not what nubraska did it's what stanford didn't do that
gave the title to the cornchokers
remember ppl nubraska choked all those endgame pts xcept
in the 2nd game
standford put themselves behind the '8ball' by not passing
better and blocking the lft side and when the referee's calls
factored in it was over
the calls by the refs wouldn't have mattered if stanford
didn't put themselves in situations where it would matter

crap calls are part of the game and it becomes a bigger part
only if ye allow it to matter
this is what stanford and ucla did and they lost

i will not give credit to any teams that don't deserve it
stanford simply beat themselves and gave that title away
now it mite take them 2yrs to win another but hopefully
klineman can hang w/the stanford xpectations and help them
win it nxt yr b4 kehoe leaves
now i mite not have a chance to ask k rich out on a date
damn i should've asked her last yr but my gf happened to
be with me when i walked up to her and bryn for a little chat
does ne1 know if she'll play beach and hopefully the avp
events here in socal will remain if she decides to play so i'll
still have that chance afterall muaaahahahahaaaa
if not i could always ask gysin out again but if i do that'd be
like stalking or something hahaha it's rock n roll tho
goodtimes ppl

a toast to the nubraska cornchokers for receiving the
ncaa championship title from stanford
party @my place and every1's invited if ye get maggie
griffin and rachel schwartz to go
ye know where to find me
happy xmas and a rock n roll new yr

[Floyd R. Turbo]

vbsamurai said:

since the nubraska cornchokers won it is
necessary to ask questions and put labels
on the losing team's performance especially
on the star player(s)'s performance

since choking is what the nubraskans do best
we already know the perfect examples of it
let's just focus on what makes ppl choke and
differentiate it from the act of being tentative
then we can ask if stanford choked were being
tentative or did they beat themselves(remember
this is not about the cornchokers it's all about
the stanford team and the pac10 so w/e
stanford did and the pac10 did resulted in a loss

choking occurs when the mind and body aren't
properly trained to work well together under
pressure situations when our brain is in the proverbial
'fight or flight' state(previously only associated w/xtreme
pressure situations)
since athletes (for the most part) already have proper
physical training their mental training is what will separate
the elites from the good athletes
how an athlete deals with pressure is what makes them
winners or chokers
to succumb to pressure by hitting into the net hitting out
on a 1on1 or a no1 up situation when attacking or serving
are examples of choking(it should be noted that the margin
or error in hitting into the net or hitting out should be no
more than 2-3" to be considered an acceptable non-choking
act since technically no action is always the same unless it's
a machine or an alien if ye believe in aliens haha)
serve receives and setting also provide good examples of choking
but we'll limit it to just hitting to keep things short(blocking is not
a good example because the offense has more control)

being tentative should never be construed as choking
there's nothing wrong with being tentative for the most part since
most situations don't require any more than that to play it safe
and in pressure situations playing it safe is will almost always make
athletes overcome that pressure
it is why some good jump servers were instructed by the
coaching staff to play it safe and keep it in w/more precise
and accurate serves than bomb away(some were even forced
to go back to the standing float serves)
being tentative in certain situations during the match is
1 reason why washington won the title last yr

now that that's out of the way did stanford choke or baboza
k rich and/or foluke choked
did the pac10 choke in the ff

based on what i saw and on the definition of choking and
being tentative none of the above choked

barboza did play tentatively but when the pass was on she
often terminated and a couple or 3 of those were late in
the games when it counted most
she should've hit more aggressively earlier in the games to
get into a better hitting rhythm and increase that adrenaline
flow to the system to get her 'fired up'
if she choked she would've made errors the way larson and
pavan did against uw last yr
none of her errors occured under pressure late in the games
and when she did those were errors w/in an acceptable
margin of error (no wallball hits or net dumping when the
score was 27 or above)

barboza and the other stanford studs didn't choke so stanford
didn't choke @all
stanford beat themselves for not passing better and not
blocking better(they should've blocked the lft side better and
not let larson hit the percentage she did)
idk what the stanford players were thinking when they knew
that 90% of the sets were going outside to the lft and rt &
the middles still didn't camp out towards that side
not limiting the lft side hitters is what made stanford lose
it's not what nubraska did it's what stanford didn't do that
gave the title to the cornchokers
remember ppl nubraska choked all those endgame pts xcept
in the 2nd game
standford put themselves behind the '8ball' by not passing
better and blocking the lft side and when the referee's calls
factored in it was over
the calls by the refs wouldn't have mattered if stanford
didn't put themselves in situations where it would matter

crap calls are part of the game and it becomes a bigger part
only if ye allow it to matter
this is what stanford and ucla did and they lost

i will not give credit to any teams that don't deserve it
stanford simply beat themselves and gave that title away
now it mite take them 2yrs to win another but hopefully
klineman can hang w/the stanford xpectations and help them
win it nxt yr b4 kehoe leaves
now i mite not have a chance to ask k rich out on a date
damn i should've asked her last yr but my gf happened to
be with me when i walked up to her and bryn for a little chat
does ne1 know if she'll play beach and hopefully the avp
events here in socal will remain if she decides to play so i'll
still have that chance afterall muaaahahahahaaaa
if not i could always ask gysin out again but if i do that'd be
like stalking or something hahaha it's rock n roll tho
goodtimes ppl

a toast to the nubraska cornchokers for receiving the
ncaa championship title from stanford
party @my place and every1's invited if ye get maggie
griffin and rachel schwartz to go
ye know where to find me
happy xmas and a rock n roll new yr

canwemixinsomecapitalettersandpunctuationsometimeohthatwouldbetoomuchtoaskiguess

[Wolfgang]

From a distance, if you look at vbsamurai's entire post as an image, it looks like the Shroud of Turin. You have to squint your eyes though.

[silversurfer]

vbsamurai said:

since the nubraska cornchokers won it is
necessary to ask questions and put labels
on the losing team's performance especially
on the star player(s)'s performance

since choking is what the nubraskans do best
we already know the perfect examples of it
let's just focus on what makes ppl choke and
differentiate it from the act of being tentative
then we can ask if stanford choked were being
tentative or did they beat themselves(remember
this is not about the cornchokers it's all about
the stanford team and the pac10 so w/e
stanford did and the pac10 did resulted in a loss

choking occurs when the mind and body aren't
properly trained to work well together under
pressure situations when our brain is in the proverbial
'fight or flight' state(previously only associated w/xtreme
pressure situations)
since athletes (for the most part) already have proper
physical training their mental training is what will separate
the elites from the good athletes
how an athlete deals with pressure is what makes them
winners or chokers
to succumb to pressure by hitting into the net hitting out
on a 1on1 or a no1 up situation when attacking or serving
are examples of choking(it should be noted that the margin
or error in hitting into the net or hitting out should be no
more than 2-3" to be considered an acceptable non-choking
act since technically no action is always the same unless it's
a machine or an alien if ye believe in aliens haha)
serve receives and setting also provide good examples of choking
but we'll limit it to just hitting to keep things short(blocking is not
a good example because the offense has more control)

being tentative should never be construed as choking
there's nothing wrong with being tentative for the most part since
most situations don't require any more than that to play it safe
and in pressure situations playing it safe is will almost always make
athletes overcome that pressure
it is why some good jump servers were instructed by the
coaching staff to play it safe and keep it in w/more precise
and accurate serves than bomb away(some were even forced
to go back to the standing float serves)
being tentative in certain situations during the match is
1 reason why washington won the title last yr

now that that's out of the way did stanford choke or baboza
k rich and/or foluke choked
did the pac10 choke in the ff

based on what i saw and on the definition of choking and
being tentative none of the above choked

barboza did play tentatively but when the pass was on she
often terminated and a couple or 3 of those were late in
the games when it counted most
she should've hit more aggressively earlier in the games to
get into a better hitting rhythm and increase that adrenaline
flow to the system to get her 'fired up'
if she choked she would've made errors the way larson and
pavan did against uw last yr
none of her errors occured under pressure late in the games
and when she did those were errors w/in an acceptable
margin of error (no wallball hits or net dumping when the
score was 27 or above)

barboza and the other stanford studs didn't choke so stanford
didn't choke @all
stanford beat themselves for not passing better and not
blocking better(they should've blocked the lft side better and
not let larson hit the percentage she did)
idk what the stanford players were thinking when they knew
that 90% of the sets were going outside to the lft and rt &
the middles still didn't camp out towards that side
not limiting the lft side hitters is what made stanford lose
it's not what nubraska did it's what stanford didn't do that
gave the title to the cornchokers
remember ppl nubraska choked all those endgame pts xcept
in the 2nd game
standford put themselves behind the '8ball' by not passing
better and blocking the lft side and when the referee's calls
factored in it was over
the calls by the refs wouldn't have mattered if stanford
didn't put themselves in situations where it would matter

crap calls are part of the game and it becomes a bigger part
only if ye allow it to matter
this is what stanford and ucla did and they lost

i will not give credit to any teams that don't deserve it
stanford simply beat themselves and gave that title away
now it mite take them 2yrs to win another but hopefully
klineman can hang w/the stanford xpectations and help them
win it nxt yr b4 kehoe leaves
now i mite not have a chance to ask k rich out on a date
damn i should've asked her last yr but my gf happened to
be with me when i walked up to her and bryn for a little chat
does ne1 know if she'll play beach and hopefully the avp
events here in socal will remain if she decides to play so i'll
still have that chance afterall muaaahahahahaaaa
if not i could always ask gysin out again but if i do that'd be
like stalking or something hahaha it's rock n roll tho
goodtimes ppl

a toast to the nubraska cornchokers for receiving the
ncaa championship title from stanford
party @my place and every1's invited if ye get maggie
griffin and rachel schwartz to go
ye know where to find me
happy xmas and a rock n roll new yr

Less crystal meth. More bran.

[Charlie]

I don't read his posts. Did he have anything to say for a change?

[FloridaPerson]

too long; didn't read

[nodisrespect]

What a poet.

[Thrill of the 'ville]

ENGLIUSH TRANSLATION:

Since the nebraska Cornhuskers won it is necessary to ask questions and put labels on the losing team's performance especially on the star player(s)'s performance. Since choking is what Nebraskans do best we already know the perfect examples of it. Let's just focus on what makes people choke and differentiate it from the act of being tentative, then we can ask if Stanford losing was choking, being tentative, or did they beat themselves? (Remember this is not about the Cornhuskers, it's all about
the Stanford team and the Pac 10, so its about whatever Stanford and the Pac 10 did that resulted in a loss.)

Choking occurs when the mind and body aren't properly trained to work well together under pressure situations when our brain is in the proverbial 'fight or flight' state (previously only associated with extreme pressure situations). Since athletes (for the most part) already have proper physical training their mental training is what will separate the elites from the good athletes, how an athlete deals with pressure is what makes them winners or chokers. To succumb to pressure by hitting into the net, hitting out
on a one-on-one or a no block situation when attacking or serving
are examples of choking (it should be noted that the margin
or error in hitting into the net or hitting out should be no
more than 2/3 to be considered an acceptable non-choking
act since technically no action is always the same unless it's
a machine or an alien if you believe in aliens). Serve receives and setting also provide good examples of choking but we'll limit it to just hitting to keep things short (blocking is not a good example because the offense has more control).

Being tentative should never be construed as choking, there's nothing wrong with being tentative for the most part since most situations don't require any more than that to play it safe and in pressure situations playing it safe is will almost always make athletes overcome that pressure its why some good jump servers were instructed by the coaching staff to play it safe and keep it in with more precise and accurate serves than bomb away (some were even forced to go back to the standing float serves). Being tentative in certain situations during the match is one reason why Washington won the title last year.

Now that that's out of the way, did Stanford, Barboza, K-Rich, Foulke, or teh Pac 10 choke in the Final Four?

Based on what I saw and on the definition of choking, none of the above choked.

Barboza did play tentatively but when the pass was on she often terminated and a few of those were late in the games when it counted most. She should've hit more aggressively earlier in the games to get into a better hitting rhythm and increase that adrenaline flow to the system to get her 'fired up.' If she choked she would've made errors the way Larson and Pavan did against UW last year. None of her errors occured under pressure late in the games and when she did, those were errors within an acceptable
margin of error (no wallball hits or net dumping when the
score was 27 or above).

Barboza and the other Stanford studs didn't choke so Stanford
didn't choke at all. Stanford beat themselves for not passing and blocking better (they should've blocked the left side better and
not let Larson hit the percentage she did). I don't know what the Stanford players were thinking when they knew that 90% of the sets were going outside to the left while the right and
the middles still didn't camp out towards that side. Not limiting the left side hitters is what made Stanford lose. It's not what Nebraska did, it's what Stanford didn't do that gave the title to the Cornhuskers. Remember people, Nebraska choked all those end game points except in the second game Standford put themselves behind the '8 ball' by not passing better and blocking the left side and when the referee's calls factored in, it was over: the calls by the refs wouldn't have mattered if Stanford didn't put themselves in situations where it would matter. Crap calls are part of the game and it becomes a bigger part only if you allow it to matter. This is what Stanford and UCLA did and they lost.

I will not give credit to any teams that don't deserve it. Stanford simply beat themselves and gave that title away. Now it might take them two years to win another but hopefully Klineman can hang with the Stanford expectations and help them win it next year before Kehoe leaves. Now I might not have a chance to ask K-Rich out on a date (damn, I should've asked her last year but my girlfriend happened to be with me when I walked up to her and Bryn for a little chat). Does anyone know if she'll play beach?If so, hopefully the AVP events here in SoCal will remain if she decides to play so I'll still have that chance after all. If not I could always ask Gysin out again...but if I do that'd be like stalking or something.

A toast to the Nebraska Cornhuskers for receiving the NCAA championship title from Stanford. Party at my place and everyone's invited if you get Maggie Griffin and Rachel Schwartz to go...you know where to find me.

Happy Christmas and a rock n' rolling New Year!

[plm]

Bad passing is one of the biggest ways to CHOKE!

[BonJoeV]

floridaperson said:

too long; didn't read

ditto...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz to original post.

[Deleted]

plm said:

Bad passing is one of the biggest ways to CHOKE!

I surely hope you do not mean that passing up on VB-S's posts equates with choking. He/she/it may have the most cogent insights into WVB, but no one other than the author will ever know this if it continues to be presented in a format that no one else will take the trouble to read.

If you literally mean that bad passing in a match is one of the biggest ways to choke, however you choose to define that, I suppose by your definition it is one of the biggest ways, along with hitting .000 with 50 sets or 3 service errors in three games of one match. My question is why? Why are you so focused on trying to label someone else a choker? Yes, I understand that others like to provoke with the "C" word, but why lower yourself into the fray?

[BonJoeV]

Please refer to my response @....

[ftp]http://volleytalk.proboards88.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1166507837&page=2[/ftp]

[vbsamurai]

hahaha
d00d
stop meddling w/my masterpiece
by tainting it w/caps and punctuations
my creations are that of a highly
evolved intelligent entity devoid
of lower lvl punctuations sentence
structures and capitalizations

as for the bad passing being
indicative of choking i already
stated that how well the passing
and the setting are executed
would also indicate if players are
choking as long as it can be
compared to what's been done
before under pressure situations
this means that when stanford's
passing woes are compared to
their previous performance under
pressure situations it would be
considered as marginal and thus
not indicative of them choking
their passing was good @best
the entire season and @times
better but still enuff for them
to win any match if it's
the only bad aspect to consider
but since their blocking was
also not as good (but still avg)
compared to what they've done
throughout the season they lost
both of the above factors are
w/in the margin of error i stated
and it indicated that they didn't
choke in any way
just look @the outcome of the
match based on the scores
alone and it shows that the
team consistently performed
decently to win the title if
they passed slightly better(i'm
not gonna xpect a lot more
since i know that they were
only an avg passing team
w/fishburn as libero)
w/that being stated the team
put themselves in a position
where the bad calls would
decide the outcome for them
instead of them improving on
1of the 2factors to win it
outright
i know perfectly well how things
work so ye can state w/e ye
want to state to make yer
team look competent
no matter what yer team
has the title
enjoy the stanford's gift coz
it'll be a while til ye get another
it is the holidays afterall and
stanford felt generous
it's rock n roll
hahaha