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Post by gobears on Mar 7, 2007 11:36:41 GMT -5
Another thought... other recruits hoping to get an offer from one or more of the 5 schools you may list ahead of time, could view the listing as arrogant, and they are going to be waiting for your daughter to make up her mind, while they are unsure what to do, knowing they are not the #1 recruit for these schools. Sure they have to wait anyway, but it could be viewed as VERY irritating as someone waffles in her choices in such a public manner. Better that 'waffling' be done in private.
And the schools you announce, may not be particularly excited that you listed them. These schools may want to conduct their recruiting of candidates in line after your daughter, off the internet. They are obviously putting other players on hold while your dtr considers. They made the offer because they would like to have your daughter come. They also hope for a decision sooner than later....and may move on as things drag on....doing all this publicly sets one's family up at times for merciless evaluation and comment....
Word trickles out, but that is better imo than announcing. Your dtr may spend little time on VTalk, but many recruits, parents, fans, coaches and other players do. Why do something that may saddle your daughter with reputation baggage before she even makes her choice let alone steps on the floor at college?
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Post by Wolfgang on Mar 7, 2007 11:39:56 GMT -5
Am I in her Five?
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Post by Wolfgang on Mar 7, 2007 11:58:40 GMT -5
This is my daughter's Top 7:
UCLA Michigan Northwestern Purdue North Carolina Duke Virginia
She's in junior high school. Just for the sake of saving $$$, we hope she chooses a cheap community college nearby. And even then, we hope she gets a part-time job to defray the expenses.
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Post by jlo on Mar 7, 2007 13:18:47 GMT -5
Go Bears another excellent point. Thanks for the advice!
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Post by AntennaMagnet on Mar 7, 2007 15:32:27 GMT -5
Wolfgang, I like your list although Purdue seems to be the odd one out.
With regard to posting offerings from other schools, unless the player is the number one or two recruit in the nation, broadcasting the schools can have negative effects and put un-needed pressure on the student. For instance, we have seen a coach put a time limit on the scholarship offer when he became aware of competing offers from higher ranked schools. In another instance, a coach became pretty tepid about the recruitment because she thought (assumed) her school was the least likely of the five being considered when in fact just the opposite was true. Some coaches can handle competitive bidding for players more than others and it is difficult to know in the midst of the process which coaches have mature people skills and those who are still a little wet behind the ears. I think most high caliber student - athletes tell coaches that they have narrowed their selection to two schools and then go from there rather than reporting that they are still thinking about 5 or 6 places. The latter actually shows indecisiveness and lack of homework, don't you think ?
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Post by BearClause on Mar 7, 2007 16:22:47 GMT -5
Some coaches can handle competitive bidding for players more than others and it is difficult to know in the midst of the process which coaches have mature people skills and those who are still a little wet behind the ears. I think most high caliber student - athletes tell coaches that they have narrowed their selection to two schools and then go from there rather than reporting that they are still thinking about 5 or 6 places. The latter actually shows indecisiveness and lack of homework, don't you think ? It all depends on the student-athlete. There were reports that at the last club tournament before Amanda Gil committed to UCLA, her courts were surrounded by coaches from up to 7 college programs. I'm pretty sure those coaches knew who else was recruiting her, and saw their competitors at the same tournaments. Of course she's that good that coaches would hold a spot hoping for her commitment. A final list of four to five isn't that uncommon (practically expected) in college basketball or football; early lists can be really large. Making a list public, as well as "interest level" is extremely common (almost expected) in BB/football. Scout.com even has sortable lists of players interested in particular programs. I don't know if that would be a good thing for women's volleyball, but it really wouldn't be that different than for the higher profile sports.
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Post by AntennaMagnet on Mar 7, 2007 16:42:08 GMT -5
Exactly. Volleyball is not a high profile sport and the etiquette is quite different from revenue generating sports.
Regarding the recruitment battles in football, if you follow the Weiss (ND) and Zook (Illini) feud, you can get an appreciation of how low the high profile coaches will go to get their boys.
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Post by ohiovalley on Mar 7, 2007 18:45:25 GMT -5
I agree that Wolfgang's list looks good. Not sure why the magnet is surprised by the list. Each school is strong academically and athletically overall. Some of the schools VB programs are not supported as strongly by their administration and students. The ACC is a mediocre VB conference at best. Certainly Duke and Virginia offer tremendous academics. Several of my former club players are very disappointed upon entering a volleyball program in which the coaching, support, and campus popularity is lower than their high school.
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Post by AntennaMagnet on Mar 7, 2007 18:57:18 GMT -5
Really no complaints about Purdue, it's a great Big 10 school and I know a lot of great graduates from there, but the school is significantly less liberal artsy than the others and it is unusual to have Purdue on the same list as Michigan.....the students are soooo different.
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Post by ohiovalley on Mar 7, 2007 20:13:34 GMT -5
OK, I can go along with that. I just was not sure how you were differentiating them. I agree the schools are different. I am surprised that the ACC schools have not made bigger strides in volleyball since the universities seem to draw outstanding female student athletes.
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Post by augustwest on Mar 7, 2007 22:32:02 GMT -5
Newbie Question Here on Listing Top Five on Questionnaires
My daughter is a freshman in high school and playing up one year in club ball (16s). She has started receiving questionnaires/letters. Most ask her to list her top five choices.
There is one school in particular that she thinks she would like to attend. I guess this would be her "dream school". The "dream school" has told the club director/coach they are very interested in her and she is going to one of their spring playdays in a few weeks.
On the questionnaires she has been listing that "dream school" as the top choice and listing the rest as "Open". I am sure the "Open" will fill up as other schools contact her and she gets a chance to unofficially visit them.
Isn't this what she should do?
Newbie parent wants to know.
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Post by bigfan on Mar 8, 2007 12:14:31 GMT -5
If I came across as being arrogant my apologies to the list and its readers. All of us on this list are volleyball enthusiasts and love to find out information about programs and their recruits. I was just curious on what the negatives of revealing an athletes top five choices. If there is a standing offer from these schools why not make this public? If the athletes list changes the schools are informed regardless. I just dont see why there is all this mystery? What advantage is there if you have offers from your top 5 to keeping this quiet? I suggest you list ten schools that your daughter may be interested in and....and we will take it from there......as long as you are realistic about your daughter being talented enough to play for the said schools. Two questions though.....are you Ali Daleys mom or the next of kin to sarah pavans sister?
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Post by bigfan on Mar 8, 2007 12:17:50 GMT -5
This is my daughter's Top 7: UCLA Michigan Northwestern Purdue North Carolina Duke Virginia She's in junior high school. Just for the sake of saving $$$, we hope she chooses a cheap community college nearby. And even then, we hope she gets a part-time job to defray the expenses. If your daughter is Anna Nicole smiths daughter .....this has got to be the earliest recruitment that I have ever heard.......let her grow up...she is only 5 months old.
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Post by jlo on Mar 8, 2007 12:23:54 GMT -5
augustwest My advice is to remember that if your daughter is a quality player than she/you have control. Listing top choices on prospective questionaires have little impact IMHO. If shes good they are going to keep in contact and want to find out why they are not in her top five! have fun
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Post by bigfan on Mar 8, 2007 12:23:59 GMT -5
Newbie Question Here on Listing Top Five on Questionnaires My daughter is a freshman in high school and playing up one year in club ball (16s). She has started receiving questionnaires/letters. Most ask her to list her top five choices. There is one school in particular that she thinks she would like to attend. I guess this would be her "dream school". The "dream school" has told the club director/coach they are very interested in her and she is going to one of their spring playdays in a few weeks. On the questionnaires she has been listing that "dream school" as the top choice and listing the rest as "Open". I am sure the "Open" will fill up as other schools contact her and she gets a chance to unofficially visit them. Isn't this what she should do? Newbie parent wants to know. Do not list anything.......even if she has a dream school.......it is ok to be undecided......this recruiting business can end up jerking your daughter around.
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