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Post by beachman on Apr 16, 2007 21:13:28 GMT -5
Beachman, You have a real problem with my post? LOL. Anyone who has a kid on an athletic scholarship knows that although some expenses are covered, it is certainly not free, financially or otherwise. Being a high level D-1 athlete AND a student at the same time is the equivalent of working two full time jobs. Scholarship athletes are pushed and pushed every single day to perform athletically and academically. Most do it very successfully and are happy to do it. If an athlete made an error in their judgement when they were 16 or 17 and didn't define their "ultimate goal" and picked the wrong school, let them transfer. Neither they nor the program would benefit if they were forced to stay. A redshirt year requirement wouldn't stop a transfer either. And, as a side note, your proctologist's office called & left a message; they said they found your head. Hey vbcrazy, you are breakin my heart! Aside from the fact that the majority of young girls who get a scholarship(they are all full-rides) at a D-1 program come from families that are middle class to upper class. Yes there are restrictions to outside income but I still stand by the comments that I made and that these kids are PAID TO PLAY, and they don't practice more than 3 hours a day during the season.....not all year long.....their meals are covered and so is their housing, and so is their tuition. Sounds to me like they got most of the bases covered......your comments about 16 and 17 year olds just proves my point....they shouldn't be PRESSURED INTO COMMITTING at such a young age, like we see happening ALL THE TIME NOW! Hey have a nice day and send me a private message with your address and I will send you a nice supply of TUCKS!
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Post by Netter on Apr 17, 2007 0:12:59 GMT -5
I know its only spring, but for the remaining 10 on the roster to win 4 spring games 2-0 this past Saturday must have been especially reassuring, gratifying and fun. Whoever set must have done well.
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Post by palo on Apr 17, 2007 11:21:30 GMT -5
I don't want to make any accusations without evidence. I just read that article again and its says that Salvo "has been advised not to talk with anybody" That raises the question, so who is advising these people? Judging from the teamates reaction, they were completely surprised as well, there was no hint of any dissatisfaction at all. This whole thing just keeps getting stranger. Same question came to my head reading that article. It sounds like an NFL player who has an agent pulling the strings. I still think that these two players are either very selfish or very naive. But with a mother that's a coach how can they be that naive? What if they were at Tennesse four years ago and thought this team could never compete for a title. The thing is you never know what team is going to put it together and make a run. Sure it helps to have talent, put its not always the most talented team that wins. Its not the transfering that gets me, its the absurd logic behind the reason given.
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Post by OverAndUnder on Apr 17, 2007 11:27:35 GMT -5
Whatever, this whole event was orchestrated by Odin to drive up Google Ad pageviews/impressions during the slow off-season.
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Post by beachman on Apr 17, 2007 14:15:17 GMT -5
Whatever, this whole event was orchestrated by Odin to drive up Google Ad pageviews/impressions during the slow off-season. LOL!!!!! ;D
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mamba
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Post by mamba on Apr 17, 2007 22:44:08 GMT -5
If this is a shock to everyone, then maybe something really happened and they weren't happy there. Maybe people should look into the coaches, maybe they had something to do with it, maybe it was something personal. They don't seem like people who would do that for just the reasons said in the paper.
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Post by Netter on Apr 18, 2007 0:19:41 GMT -5
Way to bring another possibility into this discussion, mamba. Good first post on VT. It could be a combination of things. We could go in many directions from here. Maybe they experienced a different type of coaching at the National team tryouts and thought that they are better suited for other pastures out there. Maybe it was personal and maybe it was a bad vibe teammate. Maybe those things said in the paper were smokescreen. We may not know the real story that kicked them over the edge. But everybody here so far really has responded to the facts as we know them. Beyond those facts, we could suppose anything could be within the true realm.
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Post by Gorf on Apr 18, 2007 1:02:03 GMT -5
There should be no problem with these girls transferring. At the end of each year, a coach has the right to renew or not renew a scholarship. Why shouldn't athletes have the same prerogative as coaches? The VT community seems to be condeming these players for seeking what they believe to be a better opportunity. How many of you have changed jobs for a better opportunity? The accusations on this board are nothing short of Nifongesque I have a real problem with your post.......playing collegiate sports, at the D-1 level(or any other level that provides a free education) is a PRIVILEGE!!!! Period......coaches and administrators must have the ability to get rid of kids who don't live up to their half of the agreement.....you play sports in return for a FREE COLLEGE EDUCATION!! In my day, for women, there were no scholarships.....my wife played collegiate tennis on the D-1 level at a relatively high level.....got no money, had to work 20-30 hours a week, and attended class full time.....and LOVED TO PLAY.....kids today are so damned spoiled that it isn't funny.....they should be made to perform, JUST LIKE THEY WILL HAVE TO IN REAL LIFE AFTER COLLEGIATE SPORTS, and if they don't then they should get cut.....furthermore both the athletes and their "mommies and daddies" should do enough 'due diligence' to make a good decision on where they go and on what their ultimate goals are(in reference to the sport that they play)......the numbers don't mispeak the truth.....how many spots are there on the women's national team??? How many d-1 programs are there, and how many players play in those 320+ teams.....you do the math.....I still say that it is loooooong overdue to change the transfer rules....maybe it will take some of the pressure off and we won't see coaches persuing 9th graders as much in the future.....just my thoughts! Your attitude of holding coaches that have the experience of recruiting players for years to a lesser standard than the players who have selected a school to attend for the firs time in their lives is pretty ridiculous. Certainly you can argue "paid to play", however, coaches are also "paid to recruit". Allowing coaches to release players for reasons other than discipline, or otherwise persuade players to leave the team before the 4-5 years of their scholarship are over yet complain about players deciding to transfer because the school / team isn't (or no longer is) a fit for their personal wants / needs is sad. Who would any reasonable person expect to be best prepared for doing the appropriate research for making their decisions? - A coach that's typically an adult in their late 20s at the young end and into their 60s (or beyond) on the older end with (many) years of experience recruiting youngsters to their programs. - A 17-18 year old doing the research on schools for the first time? Even with the help of their parents those 17-18 year olds predominantly don't have nearly the experience of the coaches doing the recruiting. In the real world (as opposed to in your "in my day" dream world) "due diligence" works both ways and ought to apply to the (far) more experienced coached as much and probably more than to the recruits and their parents. I'm also still waiting for you to show any proof that there are significantly more players transfering in recent years than there were annually over the past decade or two since the advent of the NCAA taking over the governing of women's volleyball. Plus, if you do nange to come of with some valid data which actually shows that to be the case - show what percentage of those transfers have been done as a result of coaches letting some of their players know that it "might" be in their best interests to transfer for whatever reasons.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Apr 18, 2007 1:04:24 GMT -5
I have a real problem with your post.......playing collegiate sports, at the D-1 level(or any other level that provides a free education) is a PRIVILEGE!!!! Period......coaches and administrators must have the ability to get rid of kids who don't live up to their half of the agreement.....you play sports in return for a FREE COLLEGE EDUCATION!! In my day, for women, there were no scholarships.....my wife played collegiate tennis on the D-1 level at a relatively high level.....got no money, had to work 20-30 hours a week, and attended class full time.....and LOVED TO PLAY.....kids today are so damned spoiled that it isn't funny.....they should be made to perform, JUST LIKE THEY WILL HAVE TO IN REAL LIFE AFTER COLLEGIATE SPORTS, and if they don't then they should get cut.....furthermore both the athletes and their "mommies and daddies" should do enough 'due diligence' to make a good decision on where they go and on what their ultimate goals are(in reference to the sport that they play)......the numbers don't mispeak the truth.....how many spots are there on the women's national team??? How many d-1 programs are there, and how many players play in those 320+ teams.....you do the math.....I still say that it is loooooong overdue to change the transfer rules....maybe it will take some of the pressure off and we won't see coaches persuing 9th graders as much in the future.....just my thoughts! Your attitude of holding coaches that have the experience of recruiting players for years to a lesser standard than the players who have selected a school to attend for the firs time in their lives is pretty ridiculous. Certainly you can argue "paid to play", however, coaches are also "paid to recruit". Allowing coaches to release players for reasons other than discipline, or otherwise persuade players to leave the team before the 4-5 years of their scholarship are over yet complain about players deciding to transfer because the school / team isn't (or no longer is) a fit for their personal wants / needs is sad. Who would any reasonable person expect to be best prepared for doing the appropriate research for making their decisions? - A coach that's typically an adult in their late 20s at the young end and into their 60s (or beyond) on the older end with (many) years of experience recruiting youngsters to their programs. - A 17-18 year old doing the research on schools for the first time? Even with the help of their parents those 17-18 year olds predominantly don't have nearly the experience of the coaches doing the recruiting. In the real world (as opposed to in your "in my day" dream world) "due diligence" works both ways and ought to apply to the (far) more experienced coached as much and probably more than to the recruits and their parents. I'm also still waiting for you to show any proof that there are significantly more players transfering in recent years than there were annually over the past decade or two since the advent of the NCAA taking over the governing of women's volleyball. Plus, if you do nange to come of with some valid data which actually shows that to be the case - show what percentage of those transfers have been done as a result of coaches letting some of their players know that it "might" be in their best interests to transfer for whatever reasons. Gorf, can you bullet point your argument? You talk around the subject and it gets hard to follow at times. Thanks in advance.
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Post by Gorf on Apr 18, 2007 5:53:16 GMT -5
What's it worth to ya BiKinator?
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Post by StanfordFan on Apr 18, 2007 14:25:06 GMT -5
I think that would limit it to McLauglin or Banachowski. How far did USC go into the tournament again? I feel a little guilty looking up all this stuff, but sometimes it's just amazing what you can find just by using google: Here is a post on a BYU board of all places, it could all be BS who knows, but it does make you go hmmm. www.cougarboard.com/nologin/message.html?id=2630273Subject: I'd like to print a retraction Author: K-dog Date: Apr 18, 10:58am Category: Ute Smack When Syd and Ariel left the U of U women's volleyball team I supposed, based on unrelated information, that there was a conflict between those girls and their coach (Beth). I'd like to make it clear that after looking into the circumstances etc. there is no indication of problems between the girls and Beth. In fact, the word on the street is that the Utes have been very poorly treated by a Pac-10 coach. Circumstances seem to indicate that there was tampering by a certain coach with ties to the National Team and whose team went deep but didn't go to the national title game. This coach's actions have, very likely, ruined the collegiate careers of two talented young women and severely damaged the U of U program. Personally, given what I know now, I feel bad for Beth and the whole U program.
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Post by dishdaball on Apr 18, 2007 14:54:24 GMT -5
I feel a little guilty looking up all this stuff, but sometimes it's just amazing what you can find just by using google: Here is a post on a BYU board of all places, it could all be BS who knows, but it does make you go hmmm. www.cougarboard.com/nologin/message.html?id=2630273Subject: I'd like to print a retraction Author: K-dog Date: Apr 18, 10:58am Category: Ute Smack When Syd and Ariel left the U of U women's volleyball team I supposed, based on unrelated information, that there was a conflict between those girls and their coach (Beth). I'd like to make it clear that after looking into the circumstances etc. there is no indication of problems between the girls and Beth. In fact, the word on the street is that the Utes have been very poorly treated by a Pac-10 coach. Circumstances seem to indicate that there was tampering by a certain coach with ties to the National Team and whose team went deep but didn't go to the national title game. This coach's actions have, very likely, ruined the collegiate careers of two talented young women and severely damaged the U of U program. Personally, given what I know now, I feel bad for Beth and the whole U program. Okay I have to ask.....any chance these girls will change their minds and stay at Utah....if there's not any bad blood one would think the window might still be open. Mom Salvo's comments don't help that possibility but just wondering what anyone else is thinking. They haven't come out and named a school yet??
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Post by OverAndUnder on Apr 18, 2007 15:18:06 GMT -5
I feel a little guilty looking up all this stuff, but sometimes it's just amazing what you can find just by using google: Here is a post on a BYU board of all places, it could all be BS who knows, but it does make you go hmmm. www.cougarboard.com/nologin/message.html?id=2630273Subject: I'd like to print a retraction Author: K-dog Date: Apr 18, 10:58am Category: Ute Smack When Syd and Ariel left the U of U women's volleyball team I supposed, based on unrelated information, that there was a conflict between those girls and their coach (Beth). I'd like to make it clear that after looking into the circumstances etc. there is no indication of problems between the girls and Beth. In fact, the word on the street is that the Utes have been very poorly treated by a Pac-10 coach. Circumstances seem to indicate that there was tampering by a certain coach with ties to the National Team and whose team went deep but didn't go to the national title game. This coach's actions have, very likely, ruined the collegiate careers of two talented young women and severely damaged the U of U program. Personally, given what I know now, I feel bad for Beth and the whole U program. I wonder if "looking into circumstances" means "following the VT and/or PrepVB rumor mill". It wouldn't be the first, and certainly not the last, time a rumor gets repeated enough to enter the online consciousness, and then once spread sufficiently, the original sources quote other secondary sites as "verification". The vast Internet Echo Chamber strikes again!
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Post by mamba on Apr 18, 2007 15:26:33 GMT -5
I think everyone is getting too hyped up about this. If these girls are transferring, let them. If it was any of you out there, you'd all be in the same boat with the way they are probably feeling. I bet you all there's more to them leaving than just the conference and all that talk about the us stuff. Maybe people should wonder why Beth isn't giving them the release to play, in most cases that I've ever heard of coaches usually end up giving them the release to play, maybe that is showing something about Beth.
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Post by OverAndUnder on Apr 18, 2007 15:28:29 GMT -5
If in April 2008 Klineman were to transfer to Texas, would Dunning's decision not to sign a release "say something" about him?
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