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Post by Gelatinous Mass on Apr 24, 2007 23:22:18 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I've seen Licht and Klineman on opposite sides of the net a few times in club. Licht isn't nearly the player that Klineman is..sorry, left this out of the other post
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Post by money on Apr 25, 2007 9:16:47 GMT -5
Klineman is a really rare player and deserves all the accolades she gets. The poster who said she is whiny is off the mark....but I think I know where they are going She is super competitive and has absolutely no problem yelling at a teammate when they are in the wrong spot or are not performing up to par...interestingly enough, the opposite never seems to happen, and Klineman does make mistakes. I doubt Klineman has ever been yelled at by a teammate and probably rarely by a coach regardless of what she does.....if she is able to take it as well as she can dish it out then she'll be fine.....I would love to see footage of her yelling at Barboza in a tight match! I have personally seen her whine at officials on 3 separate occasions for touch calls... I'm not just suggesting that she asked for a touch to be called, but multiple times approached the up-ref screamed, "are you kidding me?!" and pouted... She's a good jumper and is 6'5" and she's whining for touch calls cause she can't put the ball in the court... and when she finally did get a kill, it was all about her... I've seen it with my own 2 eyes in three different matches. I'm not trying to say she's bad. She's just a whiner. Also, IMO, when you are the first person to call out a teammate loud enough for everyone surrounding the court to hear, you better also be their biggest cheerleader when they do something you like. That's what Alix has never done when I've watched her. Eventually, teammates will turn that kind of attitude off. I agree that her teammates need to hold her to the same high standard. I think there is a difference between being competitive and being grouchy, and she is more on the grouchy side to me when she plays. Might be a great person, i can't speak to that. And it's not a double standard for girls and boys... and guy that gets in the face of another teammates better also be there when he does it well. To me, that is competitive and a good leader. just my opinion.
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Post by romeo on Apr 25, 2007 9:27:37 GMT -5
Oh bbbbrrrrrooother. This coming from a person who in the past has defended on this board a certain SPRI coach and said to get off his back (or something to that effect). Not to rehash old controversies. I'd take whining about a touch call (competitive spirit) rather than complacency any day of the week. Klineman is a really rare player and deserves all the accolades she gets. The poster who said she is whiny is off the mark....but I think I know where they are going She is super competitive and has absolutely no problem yelling at a teammate when they are in the wrong spot or are not performing up to par...interestingly enough, the opposite never seems to happen, and Klineman does make mistakes. I doubt Klineman has ever been yelled at by a teammate and probably rarely by a coach regardless of what she does.....if she is able to take it as well as she can dish it out then she'll be fine.....I would love to see footage of her yelling at Barboza in a tight match! I have personally seen her whine at officials on 3 separate occasions for touch calls... I'm not just suggesting that she asked for a touch to be called, but multiple times approached the up-ref screamed, "are you kidding me?!" and pouted... She's a good jumper and is 6'5" and she's whining for touch calls cause she can't put the ball in the court... and when she finally did get a kill, it was all about her... I've seen it with my own 2 eyes in three different matches. I'm not trying to say she's bad. She's just a whiner. Also, IMO, when you are the first person to call out a teammate loud enough for everyone surrounding the court to hear, you better also be their biggest cheerleader when they do something you like. That's what Alix has never done when I've watched her. Eventually, teammates will turn that kind of attitude off. I agree that her teammates need to hold her to the same high standard. I think there is a difference between being competitive and being grouchy, and she is more on the grouchy side to me when she plays. Might be a great person, i can't speak to that. And it's not a double standard for girls and boys... and guy that gets in the face of another teammates better also be there when he does it well. To me, that is competitive and a good leader. just my opinion.
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Post by mervynpumpkinhead on Apr 25, 2007 9:52:32 GMT -5
I have personally seen her whine at officials on 3 separate occasions for touch calls. Oh, well, if you've "personally" seen her "whine" a whole 3 times, that changes everything... Actually, she can put the ball in the court, but teams tend to put a pretty big block on her, so sometimes you don't aim for the court. As the best player on the team, I'd imagine that's part of her job. It's hard to analyze a team dynamic from the outside.
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Post by ESTRELLA on Apr 25, 2007 10:00:08 GMT -5
Klineman is a really rare player and deserves all the accolades she gets. The poster who said she is whiny is off the mark....but I think I know where they are going She is super competitive and has absolutely no problem yelling at a teammate when they are in the wrong spot or are not performing up to par...interestingly enough, the opposite never seems to happen, and Klineman does make mistakes. I doubt Klineman has ever been yelled at by a teammate and probably rarely by a coach regardless of what she does.....if she is able to take it as well as she can dish it out then she'll be fine.....I would love to see footage of her yelling at Barboza in a tight match! I have personally seen her whine at officials on 3 separate occasions for touch calls... I'm not just suggesting that she asked for a touch to be called, but multiple times approached the up-ref screamed, "are you kidding me?!" and pouted... She's a good jumper and is 6'5" and she's whining for touch calls cause she can't put the ball in the court... and when she finally did get a kill, it was all about her... I've seen it with my own 2 eyes in three different matches. I'm not trying to say she's bad. She's just a whiner. Also, IMO, when you are the first person to call out a teammate loud enough for everyone surrounding the court to hear, you better also be their biggest cheerleader when they do something you like. That's what Alix has never done when I've watched her. Eventually, teammates will turn that kind of attitude off. I agree that her teammates need to hold her to the same high standard. I think there is a difference between being competitive and being grouchy, and she is more on the grouchy side to me when she plays. Might be a great person, i can't speak to that. And it's not a double standard for girls and boys... and guy that gets in the face of another teammates better also be there when he does it well. To me, that is competitive and a good leader. just my opinion. Hey Money, if you consider that whining I hate to hear you definition of complaining. Come on dude.....the kid can play and fighting for a call is not whining in my book. ESTRELLA
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Post by AntennaMagnet on Apr 25, 2007 10:47:23 GMT -5
Money makes a good point about trying to balance negative with positive interactions. Actually, sports psychology suggests that positive reinforcement is more effective than negative reinforcement regarding athletic improvement.
Let's be grateful that this player doesn't punch out parents on the side line like one of those KIVA players did a few years ago.
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Post by PierreAmi on Apr 25, 2007 11:53:05 GMT -5
I predict she'll be burned out in a couple of years. When they've been playing that hard, from such a young age, with so much attention, it tends to not be fun anymore.
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Post by rose4vb2 on Apr 25, 2007 12:10:37 GMT -5
YOU people>>>>>>>>> Why are you GOSSIPING about things that are so hypothetical?wHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW? Most of you have only seen a video, and they others maybe watched Alex play once or twice. A reader once called a kid from Mitty Fake and Bake, and the whole board went nuts. Her parents ran to her defense, many from Mitty wrote and literally whined about this outrageous accusation. I think Tawa banned the person from the board. "Fake and Bake" was just a name for someone who is a tanning booth junkie, and the rest of the story about the individual was from from the lips of players(more than one)from both teams. Now your name calling or inventing ridiculous stuff up about this truly wonderful girl. one whom I am sure you know nothing about. I am not a relative, or even a friend. My daughter has played against her many times, she has won a few, and lost a few through the years. Alex so far has be such an great example for others to follow, She has always conducted herself very well. Through the recruiting process, she and her family handled it like most should, visiting each campus, and evaluating which would be the best choice for her as an individual. On an off the court, she is respectful to others, and a somewhat very humble young lady. Let see she got a scholarship to Standford, which would make her pretty darn smart, and is a quite a lovely looking individual. For goodness sakes quit judging all these youngsters. I have watched Alex compete for five +years now, she has carried teams, she has contributed to teams, she listens to her coaches well, and gets along with her teammates. Now because of lack of anything better to do,some Jack-ass, who probably has taught his children to be similar- is judging. Why? because your a poop stirring, jealous individual. What the bleep is wrong with you? Why don't you go to Irac or something and start trouble there, where maybe the punishment will fit the crime, but stop drumming up crap just for the sake of picking on someone who is probably twice the person that you should ever hope to be. I think it is about time this crap talking about young girls stops. This is a volleyball site, not a phone tree, a a venting station for those of you with lack of character, or nothing better to contribute to the site. SHAME ON YOU>>>>>
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Post by mervynpumpkinhead on Apr 25, 2007 12:42:06 GMT -5
YOU people>>>>>>>>> Why are you GOSSIPING about things that are so hypothetical?wHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW? Most of you have only seen a video, and they others maybe watched Alex play once or twice. A reader once called a kid from Mitty Fake and Bake, and the whole board went nuts. Her parents ran to her defense, many from Mitty wrote and literally whined about this outrageous accusation. I think Tawa banned the person from the board. "Fake and Bake" was just a name for someone who is a tanning booth junkie, and the rest of the story about the individual was from from the lips of players(more than one)from both teams. Now your name calling or inventing ridiculous stuff up about this truly wonderful girl. one whom I am sure you know nothing about. I am not a relative, or even a friend. My daughter has played against her many times, she has won a few, and lost a few through the years. Alex so far has be such an great example for others to follow, She has always conducted herself very well. Through the recruiting process, she and her family handled it like most should, visiting each campus, and evaluating which would be the best choice for her as an individual. On an off the court, she is respectful to others, and a somewhat very humble young lady. Let see she got a scholarship to Standford, which would make her pretty darn smart, and is a quite a lovely looking individual. For goodness sakes quit judging all these youngsters. I have watched Alex compete for five +years now, she has carried teams, she has contributed to teams, she listens to her coaches well, and gets along with her teammates. Now because of lack of anything better to do,some Jack-ass, who probably has taught his children to be similar- is judging. Why? because your a poop stirring, jealous individual. What the bleep is wrong with you? Why don't you go to Irac or something and start trouble there, where maybe the punishment will fit the crime, but stop drumming up crap just for the sake of picking on someone who is probably twice the person that you should ever hope to be. I think it is about time this crap talking about young girls stops. This is a volleyball site, not a phone tree, a a venting station for those of you with lack of character, or nothing better to contribute to the site. SHAME ON YOU>>>>> Yes, why don't you go to "Irac"...
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Post by redincolorado on Apr 25, 2007 12:56:13 GMT -5
Ther was an analyst at CSTV (who by the way called the washington sweep of Nebraska for the title) Who when quizzed about Klineman called her "the LeBron James of college volleyball" This while she still hadn't signed w/anyone yet.
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Post by money on Apr 25, 2007 13:11:31 GMT -5
i am being misunderstood... i never said Alix was BAD... nor did I say she was a bad person. I don't know Alix. I merely made an observation that she's a whiner. John McEnroe was a whiner and was a very good player...
And as for talking about people we don't know... I would venture to say that 90% of the posts on this board are about a person that the person writing does not know on a one-on-one basis... seeing them play in person does not qualify as knowing a person.
I also don't think there's anything wrong with calling a player out... but verbally abusing a teammate in front of many other people to prove to everyone it wasn't your fault is not right... especially if you're not a positive influence as well...
...At 6'5", there's not many BIG BLOCKS that she'll see at the 18 Open level... When she gets to the Pac-10 she'll see a big block.
Also, no matter how talented a player is, their attitude will not be overlooked by the team. Take Terrell Owens for example... he's a great player, but lost the respect of his teammates when he threw them under a bus time and time again... can't win a 18 Open, NCAA, or Olympic Gold Medal by yourself... when she learns that, she'll excel.
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Post by bigfan on Apr 25, 2007 13:20:34 GMT -5
Klineman plays great, definitely stands out even around other great players. She is amazing to watch in person. She will be a great addition to Stanford, they are extremely fortunate to land her. Hey, Money, how do you know she is a whiner? Haven't heard that one before from anyone. What is your source? Klineman will be the next Sarah Pavan.........what is doing at Stanford?
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Post by Keystonekid on Apr 25, 2007 13:28:52 GMT -5
I've seen Alix on many occasions and coached against her as well. She is the best skilled "big" player I have ever seen at this stage in her career. Along with Barboza, Paula Weishoff, Logan Tom, clearly the most advanced players we have had in this country as prep players. There have been 6'3 or so players who have been dominant net forces, but Klineman is refined in every skill in the game, and her volleyball IQ is remarkable for anyone, let alone someone who also brings the physical tools as well. One of the things that makes her so dominant at this level is she is creating angles offensively that players just don't ever see. At the next level that is somewhat diminished as defenders are more used to seeing shots like that from bigger players. The only thing she has to do to be dominant at the next level is bring more heat. I am sure with weight training, she will do that. I certainly see her as an all-american next year, and a POY somewhere down the line. Seems to me a great kid. I know her coaches and have had players play with her in the USA programs, never once heard anyone say a single negative thing about her attitude. Great kid great teammate. Money, with all due respect, I will take the word of her coaches and teammates
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Post by redincolorado on Apr 25, 2007 13:41:13 GMT -5
Funny, the only mention I've seen about Klineman being a "whiner" is this thread. Nothing in write-ups during her HS career. Nothing during her recruitment. In fact quite the opposite has been the case.
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Post by holidayhusker on Apr 25, 2007 14:07:55 GMT -5
Wow.... Moneys posts got everyone excited didn't it. Most agree that Klineman is player with huge potential and sportsmanship but I want to remind all of you that Money is entitled to his opinion. That is what this forum is all about and is also what makes it interesting. Rose....I found your comments, especially the Irac reference to be in offensive also . Practice what you preach.
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