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Post by lonewolf on Oct 21, 2007 22:09:08 GMT -5
1) A referee will honor a call made by a player about themselves unless they feel their is definite reason to believe otherwise
2) As many other posters have said, that was one point...how many unforced errors were there in the match before that point that would have made it inconsequential?
3) Try standing on the stand or down by the scorers table with the net and poles in your way during a face paced top-level D1 match and you will realize what a horrible vantage point these positions offer for calling many aspects of the game, hence the need for 2 or 4 line judges to help make calls,
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Post by IdahoBoy on Oct 21, 2007 22:14:18 GMT -5
For what it is worth:
Wisconsin's play and attendance today had swayed me to like them.
The banter about the "blown call" is changing my mind. It was kind of fun liking them...
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Post by OU-OhYeah! on Oct 21, 2007 22:26:45 GMT -5
A wise old coach (my dad) once said, "You make your own luck. Never leave yourself in a position to let a call beat you." Easy enough to repeat from my end. I realize, too, that there will be some who say that in a match of two of the best teams in the Big Ten one call could decide it. Still, Wisconsin was playing at home in front of 10K+ fans. If they were the better team, shouldn't the match have been decided in Game 4? And if they are the better team, there is certainly one more opportunity to prove it in Happy Valley in a few weeks. I doubt seriously today's loss is going to have serious repercussions for the Badgers come NCAA Tournament time unless they tank from here on out. If nothing else, I would think they'd have something to prove now.
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Post by silversurfer on Oct 21, 2007 22:32:03 GMT -5
The difference is that this call was not a tough call to make. The officials choked on their respective whistles. And who taught Harmotto to sell the "no-touch" that way. I can remember the day when there was an honor system in volleyball. Indeed, it was a long time ago, and my, how the world has changed since. The Badgers deserved better. Um, yeah, where was this "honor system" used and what decade was it? Was there as much invested (time, money) in the game at that point as there is now? Who taught Harmotto to do what ALL volleyball players do, even in the ohio valley? Come on...
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Post by silversurfer on Oct 21, 2007 22:32:47 GMT -5
I'll ask again: why apologize? keystone says it was the classy thing to do, but he also says the last point is no more important than the first. There's something I don't like about all of this. I'm sure they apologized because they felt bad that such a terrific match had to end on an obviously bad call.
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Post by Gorf on Oct 21, 2007 22:50:06 GMT -5
1) A referee will honor a call made by a player about themselves unless they feel their is definite reason to believe otherwise A player should never call themselves for a fault and a referee should not accept such a call. A player only sees a play from their own perspective. Say a player A calls herself for being in the net, however, she didn't see the opponent B that was in the net before her and opponeent B caused the net to contact player A. If the referee shrugs and says "it's fine will with me if you want to give the other team a point they don't derserve". I'm certain you, player A's teammates and couches would just love player A for making that cause against herself. Player A later in the game calls herself for touching the attacked ball before it lands out of bounds, however, opponent C made a back row attack and stepped on the attack line with the ball completely above the height of the net and stepped on the attack line before contacting the ball. The referee rolls his eyes and gives the opponents another underserved point. Player A's coaches are now so happy with her that they bench her for the rest of the season.
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Post by Gorf on Oct 21, 2007 22:52:40 GMT -5
I'll ask again: why apologize? keystone says it was the classy thing to do, but he also says the last point is no more important than the first. There's something I don't like about all of this. I'm sure they apologized because they felt bad that such a terrific match had to end on an obviously bad call. Yet again that call is the responsibility of the line judges: From the line judge list of responsibilities in the 2007 NCAA rule book: "18.5.2.1.6 A ball contacts a player before going out of bounds on that player’s side."
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Post by silversurfer on Oct 22, 2007 9:29:08 GMT -5
I'm sure they apologized because they felt bad that such a terrific match had to end on an obviously bad call. Yet again that call is the responsibility of the line judges: From the line judge list of responsibilities in the 2007 NCAA rule book: "18.5.2.1.6 A ball contacts a player before going out of bounds on that player’s side." Well I wasn't trying to imply that it was Penn State's responsibility. Think of it this way: you know how tennis player's hold up their racket when they hit a shot that clips the net and dribbles over? Same thing here. A polite admission that the point ended in a rather non-genuine way.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2007 9:36:05 GMT -5
For what it is worth: Wisconsin's play and attendance today had swayed me to like them. The banter about the "blown call" is changing my mind. It was kind of fun liking them... Hardly anyone is making a big deal out of this. I just thought it was an interesting question.
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Post by zwangoztango on Oct 22, 2007 9:36:32 GMT -5
Are we still talking about the "Immaculate Deflection" here? The officials really let a great game end in a poor way on that one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2007 9:37:49 GMT -5
I'm sure they apologized because they felt bad that such a terrific match had to end on an obviously bad call. Yet again that call is the responsibility of the line judges: From the line judge list of responsibilities in the 2007 NCAA rule book: "18.5.2.1.6 A ball contacts a player before going out of bounds on that player’s side." Are you sure this isn't a list of things they can help with? Ultimately, it's the refs call.
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Post by Keystonekid on Oct 22, 2007 9:39:15 GMT -5
I f someone asked Harmotto "who taught you how to act like you didn't touch it", I would be pissed if she didn't say I did.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2007 9:42:44 GMT -5
At least she didn't fall down, holding the offending shoulder. That would have been a dead giveaway.
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Post by bomber on Oct 22, 2007 10:00:33 GMT -5
For what it is worth: Wisconsin's play and attendance today had swayed me to like them. The banter about the "blown call" is changing my mind. It was kind of fun liking them... Don't be swayed by a few miscreant, posters, Idaho. The Badgers and the fans accept what happened, and it's time to go on. Hopefully things will end on a different note in Happy Valley. The Badgers will try to make up for the one that got away, and PSU will probably try to prove that there's a bigger difference than one point separating these strong teams.
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Post by OverAndUnder on Oct 22, 2007 10:31:00 GMT -5
At least she didn't fall down, holding the offending shoulder. That would have been a dead giveaway. This is volleyball, not soccer.
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