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Post by goGopherBill on Apr 20, 2005 6:40:47 GMT -5
From what I read the New Pope is way right..anti gay..anti abortion..and anti birth control.
There is a lot of talk saying he isn't main stream... My idea..and I am not that religious...
Is the Pope 'spossed to represent his religion?.. Are not the followers supossed to follow the leader? 1 flock..1 shepard?
It would seem to an observer that the American's want to follow the wolves back to the den instead..
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Post by bigfan on Apr 20, 2005 9:14:46 GMT -5
Catholicism is dying in the USA for several reasons such as the still un resolved pedophilia scandal. Boston has closed 45 parsishes and schools in the last two years. Cardinal Mahoney of LA is still stalling on settling because he knows the documents he will not turn over will force him to resign as they did to Law of Boston. At least in America, the church hierarchy is completely corrupt, people know it and are staying away from the church. The new Pope will continue the systematic destruction of the Catholic Church as we know it.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Apr 20, 2005 11:19:45 GMT -5
I'm just po'd because I wanted the new pope to be from Latin America and I wanted him to take the name Pope Jesus I. Or is that II?
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Post by bigfan on Apr 20, 2005 14:36:45 GMT -5
Why should we be surprised that the current Catholic hierarchy -- which elevated Cardinal Law, the poster boy for pedophile clergy, to a special place of power in Rome -- has just elected Cardinal Ratzinger as pope? The yes-men of Pope John Paul II's church have chosen one of their own, who is guaranteed to play the role of the punitive father.
Ratzinger will be the inquisitor general of the 21st century. He led the assault on theologians and women, yoga (calling it "dangerous" because it gets you too much in touch with your body), homosexuals (who are "evil"), liberation theology, ecumenism and interfaith, and now he's been made the spiritual head of 1.1 billion people.
Cardinal Ratzinger is living proof of the dictum coined by Catholic historian Lord Acton after the First Vatican Council's declaration of papal infallibility: "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." Ratzinger does not support movements of justice, and has committed his career to silencing those who do. He is also committed to elevating the rich and powerful, such as Escriva, fascist sympathizer and founder of Opus Dei, to sainthood.
It is a sad day and a decisive one for the Roman Catholic Church.
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Post by VolleyTX on Apr 20, 2005 15:12:46 GMT -5
The Catholic Church has always been such an odd institution to me. Many, if not most, of it's followers disagree with many of their teachings (birth control, abortion, homosexuality, etc.). Few of these same people make it to mass more than a couple of times a year.... yet they clearly call themselves Catholics. Which begs the question..... why do people who disagree with the church remain Catholic? Is it just for the free "get out of hell" card?
Many, if not most, of the catholic priests I've met are gay. (which I suppose is OK to them... as long as they don't "act" on it). Does anyone else find it odd that so many gay men would want to become leaders in an institution that tells them constantly that there is something intrinisicly wrong with them? Sounds quite self-hating to me. How can that person possibly have a good self-image of themselves? How can they then supposedly be the spiritual leaders of their congregations?
I'm not trying to bash the Catholic Church, but it just seems so inconsistent. I grew up in a fundamentalist baptist church. Although, I disagree with many of their teachings now..... at least I saw some consistency (although quite twisted) with what they thaught and how they they TRIED to lead their lives.
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Post by ohiostatetad on Apr 21, 2005 7:18:19 GMT -5
I still can't believe Tony LaRussa chose this man for Pope.
(After all, he manages the Cardinals, doesn't he?)
;D
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Post by goGopherBill on Apr 22, 2005 6:53:16 GMT -5
It does seem strange that the church seems to have gone backwards? How about a leader from the "New world"
Even baseball has players from latin America...
At least they didnt pick an African to apease the Muslims... The church does need to show it keeps its house in order before expecting the flock to follow...
However it shoudn't need to compromise its beliefs to meet changing social agendas that might only be a blimp in History.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2005 9:37:47 GMT -5
A blimp in history? Like the Hindenburg?
Anyhow. Yep, that's what this world needs: guidance from guys writing 2,000 years ago...
Right THERE, in a nutshell, you have the problem with religion and the crackpots who take it all so literally.
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Post by Alberta on Apr 23, 2005 5:56:07 GMT -5
Ruffy, aren't you just a little afraid that a bolt of lightning has your name on it?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2005 7:06:36 GMT -5
No.
If there is a God and he is that vengeful then I don't want any part of it.
Zap me! Zap me now!
All I know is that there are things we do not know. It's the people who think THEY know everything (including what their god wants) who really scare me.
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Post by Alberta on Apr 23, 2005 12:45:23 GMT -5
I actually agree with you, Ruffy (that thought scares me).
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