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Post by rikitikitavei on Oct 20, 2004 11:05:21 GMT -5
Maybe in football you can get by with a subpar Quarterback but that is no the case for volleyball for the setter. Every top Vball team in any league is more time than not centered by this position. Point is if/when Moreno cannot go this year who does BYU have that can run those athletes.
Justify it all you want but Rob Neilson just is not enough a quality setter or athlete to get the production needed from this team. Adequate/average is not good enough for this league or to get close to repeating for a Title.
Courgarized or Red Yukon is their anyone in the mix to help this weakness?
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Post by midwestfan on Oct 20, 2004 13:10:45 GMT -5
Common! There has to be a setter somewhere among the 20-25 people they have on their roster or have "red shirting!"
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Post by lalalaluuuke on Oct 20, 2004 13:35:28 GMT -5
www.byucougars.com/Filing.jsp?ID=5659This article makes it seem as though he will be back. I am not sure what his issues are with having to complete course work or what not this semester. Anyone who can shed some light on that subject, please do. Rob Neilson is a good setter, but not great. Part of his problem is he has been #2 behind Carlos for so long and hasn't gotten any time with the starters until recently. He will get better. Also, Casey Patterson is back and if not for Moreno coming, (his recruiting was a whirlwind) he would probably have been the starting setter the past couple of years. We won't really know anything until January. That's about all I have for now.
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Post by Cougareyes on Oct 20, 2004 16:02:31 GMT -5
Maybe in football you can get by with a subpar Quarterback but that is no the case for volleyball for the setter. Every top Vball team in any league is more time than not centered by this position. Point is if/when Moreno cannot go this year who does BYU have that can run those athletes. Justify it all you want but Rob Neilson just is not enough a quality setter or athlete to get the production needed from this team. Adequate/average is not good enough for this league or to get close to repeating for a Title. Courgarized or Red Yukon is their anyone in the mix to help this weakness? I am going to have to disagree with you Rikitiki. The Cougs maybe had five practices before going to Canada. True, they went 1-3, but last year's National Championship squad went 2-2 WITH Carlos--they had a horrendous first showing. I don't think you should pass judgement too quick on Rob Neilson. Anyone that has played with him knows he is a very good setter and a very good floor leader to boot. You talk about Rob Neilson not being athletic enough? Anyone on the BYU squad will tell you he is PHYSICALLY more athletic than Carlos (equally as strong but jumps a lot higher). And to answer your question, there currently is no setter on the "Darkside" or red-shirting that could get the job done half as well as Rob. If Carlos can't come back, and the coaches feel Rob can't get the job done through the season, they will most definitely have to go find some foreign flavor of the year to satisfy themselves. Remember, time, coaching, and Rob's inner desire to get better will dictate whether or not Rob can set this team. If Carl, Troy, and Hugh were still at BYU I wouldn't be worried at all. I still have tremendous faith in Rob. |
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Post by shredder on Oct 21, 2004 0:36:37 GMT -5
rob neilson has mad skills. The only thing he doesnt have is the library full of trophies and awards that moreno has. moreno is amazing but rob set against the national champions all last year. he has plenty of experience and athletic ability. its the circus of who is hitting where that is the problem, not rob. they have an overload of hitters that can get the job done. its where the coaches deside to play them.
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Post by VolleyMan on Oct 21, 2004 9:57:25 GMT -5
I think that Rob Neilson doesn't have the same quality than Carlos but He could learn at least something from Carlos... I believe in the hard work and if Rob work hard he can do it and get better... There is enough time to the next season to do it..
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Post by monk on Oct 22, 2004 0:09:55 GMT -5
Lets set the record straight! Rob Neilson does not have more ATHLETIC ability or physicall attributes than Carlos. If he did he would have been starting for the last three years instead of Carlos. Not to mention Patterson was the second string setter exept for last year because he was gone. You say that rob is a leader, but in canada he showed no sign of leadership except for clapping when they needed to play better not physically doing something about it. He does not even compare with the motivational ora and leadership skills Carlos brings to the court. A setter is the quaterback, he must know what to do and how to do it, in all kinds of situations. Watching Carlos play you can tell he has experience and leads the team with amazing athletic ability.
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Post by sonofbarcelonabob on Oct 22, 2004 0:48:41 GMT -5
Heh-heh. All this talk about Moreno like he's the greatest setter since Lloy Ball. Err...uhm...well, not Ball, but anyway, that Moreno is a franchise setter.
He is not. He's above average tops. Certainly no Taliaferro. Remembering back to last year's championship match, Moreno should thank Touzinsky for blasting match point into the antenna, because his setting in Games 4 and 5 were the absolute S UCK.
Heck, Moreno wasn't even the best setter on the court in that championship match.
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Post by cougarize on Oct 22, 2004 1:54:17 GMT -5
Now my two cents. Carlos Moreno was clearly the best all-around setter in collegiate volleyball last year. If he was to return this year, he would again be the top setter in the nation.
That said, I agree with Cougareyes in that this is the PRESEASON. How many practices have they had? Think about how BYU started the season last year. Stumbled out of the gate, but the team came together and jelled. I don't think that Rob is a better setter than Carlos, but remember that BYU with very, very poor setting out of Carlos DID win the national championship last year. Rob has been apprenticing for awhile now and he's ready to take over if need be. He is the No. 1 backup and No. 1 choice if Carlos can't go. Casey Patterson, while originally recruited from UVSC as a setter, is not the floor leader the team needs and his setting skills are average. The one thing he has going for him is his height, which is why he was moved to the outside and out of the setting position before he left to try the beach.
Rob is a very deceptive athlete. Doesn't look imposing and isn't a natural fireball on the floor Carlos is, but he has the skills and the competitiveness necessary to thrive. I'm not worried, especially at this point in the PRESEASON. If this was a conversation we were having in March, I'd be worried.
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Post by sonofbarcelonabob on Oct 22, 2004 2:01:54 GMT -5
Now my two cents. Carlos Moreno was clearly the best all-around setter in collegiate volleyball last year. If he was to return this year, he would again be the top setter in the nation. Bah. Moreno is lucky he's had guys like Paal, Alleman, Pessoa, et. al on the court with him. Leadership? He was the one freakin' out during last year's championship match, making bonehead plays and continuous net violations. Fundementally and technically unsound. |
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Post by rikitikitavei on Oct 22, 2004 10:06:21 GMT -5
If you say he is good enough....as an insider.....ok but I hope you are not saying that because you "have to."
I hope I am wrong but I am not totally sure of either back-ups to Moreno......but this point might be mute anyway come January.
AS far as setting for Moreno, I believe he is a better setter and athelete than anyone in the last two years in the NCAA BUT I will acknowledge that he was "out-set" in the past two finals.
It has been discussed many times about height as a setter and I can only hope that we have all learned from this past Olympics that that factor is not even top 5 for major consideration.
Within reason a setter should be 6'1 or above but after that there are so many other important things.
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Post by vballguy2001 on Oct 22, 2004 11:28:54 GMT -5
Now my two cents. Carlos Moreno was clearly the best all-around setter in collegiate volleyball last year. If he was to return this year, he would again be the top setter in the nation. Please. I thought that kid from the Beach was way better. Hilldebrand totally out did Carlos in the biggest game of the year. As for Rob?? I know he'll do great, what BYU needs is some guys that can pass. I watched a practice the other day and those passes were flying around the gym like scud missiles. All over the place. I don't care who you are if the pass isn't there then all the setter can do is shove it outside. BYU needs to utilize their middles in order to be great. Middles don't need all of the balls, but they do need to be used. |
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Post by donkeykong on Oct 22, 2004 11:32:38 GMT -5
Nobody is disagreeing with the fact that Tyler out-set Carlos in that game. All in all Carlos is better. He also won so that does matter. This weekend will be fun to watch. But the season is still two and a half months away. Tons of time.
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Post by sonofbarcelonabob on Oct 22, 2004 12:18:06 GMT -5
All in all Carlos is better. Uhm...lemme think here...what was I trying to say? Oh ya, that's it. Moreno is not that good. |
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Post by cougarize on Oct 22, 2004 16:35:33 GMT -5
Uhm...lemme think here...what was I trying to say? Oh ya, that's it. So who are you saying you'd prefer from last year's crop of setters? Let me think, hmmm....ummmm......oh yeah, it would be...Carlos, because? BYU Won the National Championship!It all comes down to results. Sure Carlos had a great team surrounding him, but it was his brain that led him to distribute the ball in a balanced way. I agree, Carlos isn't the most fluid of setters and his mechanics are awkward at times, but to all the BOBsayers, Carlos wins. Bottomline. |
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