Bush has got to go

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SonofBarcelonaBob said:

The French are dumbasses. If they would just repay us what they owed us from WWII and the rebuilding in the post-war era, we wouldn't have a National Debt right now.

Same thing with the Spanish. One terrorist attack, and they switch governments. New government comes in and bows to the demands of the terrorists. They obviously don't understand Rule #1 - YOU NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS.

Rule #2. Don't do what you would normally NOT do just because of how the terrorists might view it.

An example, if you think the terrorists would prefer W out of office (and I'm not sure that is true), that is NO reason to vote him into office.

Better example, just because I think BiK looks better with ears, that's no reason for him to cut them off.

[sonofbarcelonabob]

(R)uffda! said:

Rule #2. Don't do what you would normally NOT do just because of how the terrorists might view it.

An example, if you think the terrorists would prefer W out of office (and I'm not sure that is true), that is NO reason to vote him into office.

Better example, just because I think BiK looks better with ears, that's no reason for him to cut them off.

Stop trying to make up crap, Ruffdumb.

Rule #1 is tried, tested, truth which has been the policy of many governments (United States, England, Israel, etc.) for decades. Certainly long before GWB ever became President.

Your rule is something you made up and pulled out of your ass.

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SonofBarcelonaBob said:

Stop trying to make up crap, Ruffdumb.

Rule #1 is tried, tested, truth which has been the policy of many governments (United States, England, Israel, etc.) for decades. Certainly long before GWB ever became President.

Your rule is something you made up and pulled out of your ass.

Oh. So you're saying this "Rule Book" actually exists? Moron.

Read what I said. I didn't dispute "rule" #1.

Moron.

[Barefoot In Kailua]

J.S. said:

Freedom, yes. But how do we translate freedom into money which they supposedly owe us? And aren't you forgetting Marquis De LaFayette, whose hard work contributed to us being able to call ourselves Americans?

LaFayette indeed was a patriot and did tons for Our country when we needed him, unlike some people who go AWOL.

No I'm not forgetting Lafayette. He's one of the few Frenchmen I like. America however, has more than repayed Lafayette for all of his help during the Revolutionary War. France is free today because of America. Free to stab America in the back like the cowards that they are!

[Barefoot In Kailua]

(R)uffda! said:

Moron.

Dumbass.

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Barefoot said:

Dumbass.

Take a hike and take your talking monkey with you, you dipsheet.

[Barefoot In Kailua]

(R)uffda! said:

Take a hike and take your talking monkey with you, you dipsheet.

What money dumbass? I can't even buy me a friggin cup of crappy Coffee.

[sonofbarcelonabob]

(R)uffda! said:

Oh. So you're saying this "Rule Book" actually exists? Moron.

Read what I said. I didn't dispute "rule" #1.

Moron.

Actually, the rule book does exist. America (and the other countries I mentioned) have set, detailed policy on how to deal with terrorists.

And the #1 rule? NEVER NEGOTIATE.

Your rule doesn't appear anywhere in counterterrorism policy. So...once again...stop pulling crap outa your ass.

Dipsheetz.

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SonofBarcelonaBob said:

Actually, the rule book does exist. America (and the other countries I mentioned) have set, detailed policy on how to deal with terrorists.

And the #1 rule? NEVER NEGOTIATE.

Your rule doesn't appear anywhere in counterterrorism policy. So...once again...stop pulling crap outa your ass.

Dipsheetz.

You are making this up (about the "rule book"). I can see it now. Dumbya paging through the "rule book" to see what he can and can't do.

And you're ignoring my point. Whatever.

Imbecile.

[sonofbarcelonabob]

(R)uffda! said:

You are making this up (about the "rule book"). I can see it now. Dumbya paging through the "rule book" to see what he can and can't do.

And you're ignoring my point. Whatever.

Imbecile.

Ya, I made the whole thing up. Look, I even created a weblink:

www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2002/8190.htm

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This is not a rule book, you moron.

I ask you again to go back and read what I said. If you don't have anything intelligent to say in response, talk to BiK's monkey about it.

Gawd.

From your own "press statement":

The U.S. Government will make no concessions to individuals or groups holding official or private U.S. citizens hostage. The United States will use every appropriate resource to gain the safe return of American citizens who are held hostage. At the same time, it is U.S. Government policy to deny hostage takers the benefits of ransom, prisoner releases, policy changes, or other acts of concession.

Now, you tell me, moron: if the terrorists kidnap Barbara Bush and threaten to kill her unless the U.S. holds elections in November, does that mean the U.S. cancels those elections?

I repeat: Don't do what you would normally NOT do just because of how the terrorists might view it.

[sonofbarcelonabob]

(R)uffda! said:

This is not a rule book, you moron.

I ask you again to go back and read what I said. If you don't have anything intelligent to say in response, talk to BiK's monkey about it.

Gawd.

From your own "press statement":

The U.S. Government will make no concessions to individuals or groups holding official or private U.S. citizens hostage. The United States will use every appropriate resource to gain the safe return of American citizens who are held hostage. At the same time, it is U.S. Government policy to deny hostage takers the benefits of ransom, prisoner releases, policy changes, or other acts of concession.

Now, you tell me, moron: if the terrorists kidnap Barbara Bush and threaten to kill her unless the U.S. holds elections in November, does that mean the U.S. cancels those elections?

I repeat: Don't do what you would normally NOT do just because of how the terrorists might view it.

Ruffdork, you idiot. Do you not know how to read? How much study of anti-terrorism have you done in the last 10 years? How much do you know about U.S. counterterrorism policy? I just sat in a 2-hour briefing about this very subject last week. You dumbass.

If Barbara Bush (either one #41's wife or #43's kid) gets kidnapped, the US will negotiate for her release through diplomatic channels. BUT THEY WILL NOT PAY OR GIVE UP ANYTHING IN CONCESSIONS TO SECURE HER RELEASE. That is set in stone. She would die as a hostage before the US will make concessions for any terrorist group.

I work for a company that has already had one of our employees beheaded by Islamic extremists in the last month. So stop being such a dumbass and trying to argue about a topic for which you are ill equipped to back up anything you say.

Compare this to recent decision by the governments of the Phillipines and Spain, both of whom have conceeded to the demands of Islamic militants. Do you know what this means? It means that from now on, these militants know that they can get either of these countries to do whatever they want them to do simply by taking hostages. That is why you don't make concessions when negotiating with terrorists.

Now go educate yourself, you are pitifully inept in this subject area.

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SonofBarcelonaBob said:

Ruffdork, you idiot. Do you not know how to read? How much study of anti-terrorism have you done in the last 10 years? How much do you know about U.S. counterterrorism policy? I just sat in a 2-hour briefing about this very subject last week. You dumbass.

You son of a banana, what the bleep are you talking about? I was never talking about policy or rulebooks. I made an innocent comment about your stupid post about the French and the Spanish and you decided to say I was talking about official anti-terrorism policy. You then went on to say that everything is written down in a rulebook somewhere.

I thought I was talking common sense, but I see that subject does not apply to you.

Just so we're clear, fool, I don't give a damn where you sat last week and I have no reason to believe anything you say is true, so don't BOTHER.

If Barbara Bush (either one #41's wife or #43's kid) gets kidnapped, the US will not negotiate for her release. That is set in stone. She would die as a hostage before the US will make concessions for any terrorist group.

You just skipped over my post, admit it. You won't hurt my feelings. It'll make me feel better to know you just aren't reading my posts, than to think I've done such a poor job of communicating my points.

I didn't say ANYTHING about negotiating for Barbara's release. I said our policy would not be dictated by doing the EXACT OPPOSITE of what the terrorists demanded.

My Gawd, but you are one dumb cluck.

I work for a company that has already had one of our employees beheaded by Islamic extremists in the last month. So stop being such a dumbass and trying to argue about a topic for which you are ill equipped to back up anything you say.

And I don't believe that either. Regardless, it has nothing to do with the fact you are a congenital cretin.

[sonofbarcelonabob]

Hey Ruffdumb,

I tried to help you out by giving you a short article on US Counterrorism policy, given your limited intellectual abilities. But since you want the full monty, here enjoy this:

www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2001/h101201.html

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SonofBarcelonaBob said:

Compare this to recent decision by the governments of the Phillipines and Spain, both of whom have conceeded to the demands of Islamic militants. Do you know what this means? It means that from now on, these militants know that they can get either of these countries to do whatever they want them to do simply by taking hostages. That is why you don't make concessions when negotiating with terrorists.

Since you added this part later...

I don't and never disagreed with the point you are making above. And if you had a brain in your head, you would have known that.

I'm always looking to educate myself. Thanks for the suggestion.