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Post by Gorf on May 12, 2004 18:49:50 GMT -5
That's not the only response actually.
There is also "you liberals are simply using this as another political issue in an election year" type of response.
I still fail to see why the supposed conservatives appear to have a raighteous claim to make any type of statement they like during an election year (including blatant lies and partial truths where their own candidates are doing the same or worse than the candidate they're attacking) yet they become overly outraged at ANY type of criticism leveled at their candidates and label the criticism as being simply used for political gain.
Oy.
What exactly is conservative about the conservatives and liberal about the liberals?
Those terms are rather antiquated and very out of synch with the numerous aspects of the political realm.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2004 18:49:53 GMT -5
Enlighten us. Tell us how different an American casualty was in Boznia than it was in Iraq. I guess I don't even know what you are asking here. I can tell you that American military action in Bosnia and in Iraq were very different, but I guess I don't understand what you are implying about casualties. You tell me: *How did Clinton misrepresent the reasons for action in Bosnia? *How did Clinton bungle the aftermath of that military action? You know what? If GW had made the case to the world that Iraq needed the world's help to rid itself of Saddam, I would have been behind military action. He didn't. He lied. This is what happens when you have an incompetent person as President. Maybe you can squeak by, like we did (barely) with Reagan, if nothing too serious comes up. But God help us if he actually needs to deal with a crisis. Somebody please tell me what GW has done RIGHT in his four years in office.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on May 12, 2004 19:33:16 GMT -5
Oh my goodness! This is too funny. My bad, I forgot to whom I was talking. Let me spell it out for you. I was referring to your obvious [glow=red,2,300]M-E-N-T-A-L[/glow] limitations -- not your height. Geez, do you have a complex or what? What do I care how shrimpy you are? Actually it is funny. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) In case you missed this part Regardless of whether or not that is what you were eluding to, I feel free in saying it. You need to loosen up Islandgirl, this is all in fun. I'm just playing with you. Perhaps you should buy a clue. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Your political tirades annoy me but seriously, your feeble attempts at personal attacks only make me smile. ;D Otoh, I can see that I've clearly gotten under your collar. ;D
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on May 12, 2004 19:37:47 GMT -5
From what I hear, though, BIK and IslandGirl are two of the most physically and sexually desirable people on the planet. That's what I hear. I know nothing more. Whomever would utter such nonsense about Islandgirl is clearly delusional. ;D ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on May 12, 2004 19:43:50 GMT -5
I guess I don't even know what you are asking here. I can tell you that American military action in Bosnia and in Iraq were very different, but I guess I don't understand what you are implying about casualties. You tell me: *How did Clinton misrepresent the reasons for action in Bosnia? *How did Clinton bungle the aftermath of that military action? You know what? If GW had made the case to the world that Iraq needed the world's help to rid itself of Saddam, I would have been behind military action. He didn't. He lied. This is what happens when you have an incompetent person as President. Maybe you can squeak by, like we did (barely) with Reagan, if nothing too serious comes up. But God help us if he actually needs to deal with a crisis. Somebody please tell me what GW has done RIGHT in his four years in office. Answer Barcelona Bob's question (R)uffda!. Save the tip toeing for your Ballet class! The ball's in your court and both you and Gorf are shooting bricks! Squeak by with Reagan? How can you utter such stupidity with a straight face! are you mad?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2004 19:59:12 GMT -5
What was BarcelonaBob's question? How a casualty in Bosnia is different than a casualty in Iraq? Well, location, I guess. Like I said, I don't understand the question.
Reagan. America's all-time worst President until...GW!
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on May 12, 2004 20:10:50 GMT -5
Reagan. America's all-time worst President until...GW! Insolence! That fairy Jimmy Carter was the worst President America has ever had. Carter's weakness and failure as a leader during a challenging time exemplifies the fact that America cannot afford to have a weak, cowardly, appeaser occupy the President's chair in the oval Office. Democrats are much more suited to run through the meadows frolicking with the birds and picking flowers. Leave the job of Protecting the Country to those capable of doing so, Go away liberal fairies! ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2004 20:16:04 GMT -5
BiK. His father, Ron Senior, was so enamored of the little tyke he nicknamed him Mo' Ron.
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Post by BarcelonaBob on May 12, 2004 20:38:13 GMT -5
Insolence! That fairy Jimmy Carter was the worst President America has ever had. Carter's weakness and failure as a leader during a challenging time exemplifies the fact that America cannot afford to have a weak, cowardly, appeaser occupy the President's chair in the oval Office. Democrats are much more suited to run through the meadows frolicking with the birds and picking flowers. Leave the job of Protecting the Country to those capable of doing so, Go away liberal fairies! ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Actually, I think President Carter was a good man, and a good President. Alot of what Carter was blamed for were caused by factors beyond his control. Recession and the high interest rates/and high unemployement were brought about by increased foreign competition in many economic bases, and a downsizing of government/military in the post-Vietnam era. And, alot of his hard work, others got credit for - most notably the negotiations with Iran that brought our hostages home in 1980. Although that happened early on in Reagan's first term, it was largely due to work done in the waning days of the Carter administration. Carter is, was, and continues to be "the gentleman farmer" who became President of the United States. His humanitarian contributions are great, and I believe he is one of the few remaining breed of honest politicians - a guy who put public service and the needs of the people first.
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Post by BarcelonaBob on May 12, 2004 20:40:41 GMT -5
What was BarcelonaBob's question? How a casualty in Bosnia is different than a casualty in Iraq? Well, location, I guess. Like I said, I don't understand the question. Reagan. America's all-time worst President until...GW! When a military service member dies on foreign soil, he/she is still dead, whether the President who ordered the military action which sent that serviceman/servicewoman into harm's way was a Democrat or a Republican.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2004 20:51:27 GMT -5
I can't argue with that. I hope I've never given the impression that I do not regret every life lost in this mess--American, Iraqi, whomever.
And I agree with you about Carter.
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Post by midwestfan on May 12, 2004 20:59:25 GMT -5
Ya'll do realize that the "lie" that you proclaim GW used was believed to be true by a lot of people. For instance;
1. President Bill Clinton and his administration (including his Secretary of Defense and Secretary of State)
2. Our Congress (including John Kerry) ;D
3. The UN
4. Germany's Chancellor
5. The President of France
6. The Prime Minister of Great Britain
7. The Arab world
8. and roughly 80-90% of other world leaders
9. oh, I forgot to mention Hans Blix!
Everybody thought this guy was dangerous (wmd's, chemical weapons, etc.) and needed to be dealt with before his did something really bad. Korea is actually more of an immediate threat that should have been dealt with ten years ago. If we had taken the hard but unpopular position then, we wouldn't have missles pointed at us today!
The thing that changed everything for American was 9/11 pure and simple. We are not going to sit back and be sitting ducks any longer!! Come after us and we are going to come after you. If we can stop you before you have that ability, then we should!!
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Post by BarcelonaBob on May 12, 2004 21:02:24 GMT -5
Well...North Korea may very well have missiles pointed at the U.S., but don't worry, the rubber bands they use to launch them aren't anywhere near strong enough to shoot them far enough. LOL.
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Post by midwestfan on May 12, 2004 21:04:06 GMT -5
That could be ... but are you willing to bet on that?!!
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2004 21:19:27 GMT -5
Ya'll do realize that the "lie" that you proclaim GW used was believed to be true by a lot of people. For instance; 1. President Bill Clinton and his administration (including his Secretary of Defense and Secretary of State) 2. Our Congress 3. The UN 4. Germany's Chancellor 5. The President of France 6. The Prime Minister of Great Britain 7. The Arab world 8. and roughly 80-90% of other world leaders 9. oh, I forgot to mention Hans Blix! Not true. Absolutely untrue. Almost all the people you mention wanted to see UN inspections continue. GW and boys claimed there was an IMMINENT threat from Saddam. That was the big lie. And this is exactly what GW and boys have got wrong--just like you. Iraq was not and is not the problem. (OK. Maybe it's the problem NOW.) Korea is not even the problem. And what's all this "us" business? We need to start acting like we are a part of the world.
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