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Post by UcantBSme on Jan 23, 2005 1:54:24 GMT -5
This is some funny crapola. Loyola and Quincy losing to average NAIA teams, and IPFW and Ball State both losing to George Mason. Actually, that isn't too much of a surprize because Fred Chou is a much better coach than any of the current MIVA coaches, but still, this is just so sad. Better see GMU in the top 15 poll this next week and better see Ball State's sorry team drop off the poll all together. Walton's position needs to be re-evaluated. No reason that that program shouldn't be consistently in the top 10, but he doesn't know how to recruit, can't coach his way out of a paper bag, and has never been able to motivate or relate to his players. As usual, Ohio State will have a glittery record playing NOBODY. But won't do crapola against anyone of any quality. Not since their ILLEGAL Puerto Rican players has Ohio been very good at all. The MIVA should focus more on quality of teams in their conference, and less on the quantity of teams. They are adding more teams, and the "big" programs they already have can't beat NAIA teams. HA HA HA HA HA. What a joke!
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Post by DaRookie on Jan 23, 2005 8:11:09 GMT -5
Walton's position needs to be re-evaluated. No reason that that program shouldn't be consistently in the top 10, but he doesn't know how to recruit, can't coach his way out of a paper bag, and has never been able to motivate or relate to his players. Sounds to me that you need to fill out an application to replace the man. Let's reflect on a few things. 112-64 record, trip to 2002 NCAA Tourney, 7 years at BSU, 2001 MIVA coach of the year, 8 season with Dr. Shondell as "recruiting coordinator".........It sure quacks like a duck to me. Why don't you post your resume so we can match it up against Walton's? |
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Post by NET2 on Jan 23, 2005 13:25:49 GMT -5
Not a good weekend for the MIVA, but -
3-0 George Mason is playing better than most of us expected, &
Penn State has some guys who can play.
It's only January - long way to go until May.
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Post by OhNo14 on Jan 23, 2005 16:40:59 GMT -5
I'm not really that surpised these teams are dropping matches to NAIA teams. NAIA schools can offer way more scholarships, with looser recruiting rules. And schools like Lindenwood who actually recruit locally get a lot of good players because a lot of top DI schools have primarily recruited internationally.
There are a handfull of NAIA schools that could compete at the DI/II level. Since Park beat U. of Arizona in NIRSA tournament, they've established they're better than any club team. Look at California Baptist, they've been beating up top west coast teams for a couple years now.
And NAIA is adding teams at a faster rate than NCAA. Maybe it's time they get just a little respect.
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Post by Mr. Pink on Jan 23, 2005 18:07:17 GMT -5
I think that those that do not see the Missouri schools don't really know how good they are. Most MIVA schools east of Chicago don't play them because it may affect National rankings if they lose to them. As well as the fact that it costs somebody money to play against schools with unequal recruiting rules. MoBap has three really good international players that would start and make an impact on any D1-2 men's team. Just remember that for some players, its about money for an education rather than playing NCAA top level.
Don't underestimate the NAIA schools or the MIVA. The season is very early and weird things happen
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Post by BeachBoy on Jan 24, 2005 9:35:51 GMT -5
UcantBSme you should get a clue and learn to keep your mouth shut. There is nothing worse than someone running their mouth when they don't have a clue what they are talking about. It is early in the season, teams are going to drop matches early.....especially when they are starting alot of freshman or players that have not seen the court much in their career. What is considered an average NAIA team? Cal Baptist consistently defeats the MPSF schools and they are number one, so with lindenwood and MO Baptist ranking right behind them, does that make them average? Its no suprise that the strongest men's volleyball goes from the west to the midwest to the east in that particular order. I'm not sure where you get off exahusting ridiculous remarks about coach Walton. He SAVED the program last year, and has needed to fundraise more to keep up with the budget cuts. He took Ball State to the final four a few years back, and should have went again when Lewis had the pro's playing for them. Oh fyi Carthage and MESO are provisional members of the MIVA. The MIVA is trying to help BUILD men's volleyball in this country, when idiots like you keep trying to suppress this advancement because teams do not win. The idea here is that with Carthage and MESO being provisional members of the MIVA along with CLARKE who is already in the MIVA, will give them a MIVA Division III conference. If more D3 schools will jump on board they will have enough teams in their own "MIVA D3" conference to have an automatic qualifier to the DIII championships. If this happens that teams hop on, most likely Clarke will drop out of the MIVA and into the MIVA DIII conference. I'm sorry to hear that LaVerne had to drop their program. Everyone needs to support every school that has men's volleyball, if we don't we may not need sites like this much longer.
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Post by midwestfan on Jan 24, 2005 13:15:30 GMT -5
Totally agree with BeachBoy! We need all men's volleyball teams that we can get ... period! IMO every conference needs to be looking into how to do just that and also how to increase the fan base as well. We should be working together to promote men's volleyball, trying to make it more popular ... not dismantling programs that we don't like.
Give it up uCANbsME! We've heard enough of your ranting and ravings against the MIVA schools and coaches that you have a problem with (for whatever reason).
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Post by UcantBSme on Jan 25, 2005 1:26:01 GMT -5
I don't care how early it is in the season, there is no excuse for these bigger programs to be losing to NAIA programs. I'll give you Cal Baptist because they are loaded with foreign players and are very experienced, but not these midwest NAIA teams. I'm not against new programs starting up and building the game. I just think its funny when some of these "bigger" programs with these "great" coaches lose to these teams that have no business beating them. George Mason should be ranked like 10th this next week for what they did, and Ohio State, and Ball State, should totally drop off the poll. The only MIVA team with any business in the top 15 as of right now is Lewis. But whats new? Beachboy is ranting and raving and totally miss representing everything i said. I didn't say anything against smaller programs or new programs starting up. I'm all for it. Being from the Midwest originally, I'd just like to see someone actually do something good in men's volleyball from the Midwest, and instead all I ever see if the Ball States and Ohio States losing to these weaker programs. Say what you want about Dueser or Lewis, but they brought a higher level of volleyball to the MIVA and were responsible for the most exciting NCAA championship EVER! And anyone that knows volleyball and saw that match with BYU, knows that is the truth. Lewis was always ranked up in the top 10 for years, they always played the MPSF teams well, win or lose, and they SELDOM IF EVER lost to teams they shouldn't have. And never lost to a Findlay, OR LINDENWOOD. COME ON.
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Post by oldman on Jan 25, 2005 7:55:29 GMT -5
UcantBSme you are truely clueless. Your whole intent seems to be rip on the midwest. Then you defend a program that cheats to win.
"Say what you want about Dueser or Lewis, but they brought a higher level of volleyball to the MIVA and were responsible for the most exciting NCAA championship EVER!"
Its not hard to put together a bunch of PROFESSIONALAS to beat a bunch of 18-21 year old college athletes is it?
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Post by UcantBSme on Jan 25, 2005 9:47:42 GMT -5
Hey OLDMAN. Get a clue! Lets look at who Lewis beat for the 2003 Championship.........BYU Why don't we do our homework and go back and look at the archives of the BYU website and see what the average age was of a BYU player in 2003. I think you'll find that the average age of a BYU player was quite a bit older than a LEWIS player. In fact, I'm POSITIVE!
"18 to 21 yo"? Are you kidding me? Not only that, but BYU had more foreign athletes on the floor than Lewis did. Do a little research before you just start shooting off your mouth OLDMAN. You don't have a clue!
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Post by Mr. Pink on Jan 25, 2005 11:11:03 GMT -5
I will give "loud mouth" the fact that Lewis has been successful this year and last (at the end) with one good outside, a good libero, and one good middle. The setter sucks, but the team does a good job picking him up.
Needless to say, that if the season was based on early performance, then "BS's" beloved team should not have played in the final four. In fact, "crappy" programs like IPFW and Loyola sweept them last year. Therefore, if the beginning of the season doesn't matter, then Lewis should not have been in the final four....according to BS's thinking.
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Post by oldman on Jan 25, 2005 12:16:36 GMT -5
BS,
So BYU athletes were older than Lewis. 2 of them were PROFESSIONALS!!! That means they got paid to play and train. If you want to rip on BYU for having old players go ahead.
Most of your post have ripped on midwest teams. I know Lewis's average age was older than any midwest program.
So please do YOUR homework before you start type your BAH BAH BAH BAH BS!!!!
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Post by benwhipdrofn on Jan 25, 2005 20:23:15 GMT -5
it's only been proved that 1 player was a pro and he was one of the youngest members of the team.....so how long did he actually play pro??? JR's eligibility was in question for how many semesters he took over seas. And if what he competed in was pro.....well then we go back to BYU's players questionable background playing.
I am encouraged by these smaller schools coming out and beating some of the bigger schools, that means they are recruiting more carefully and some high schools are providing better programs.
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