Who Gets the Bid?

[Psychopotamus]

The way things are going it is looking like the winner of the MPSF could have 5 plus losses with the runner(s) up having 6+. Assuming the MPSF winner is the regular season winner, who do you give the second bid to? \

Hawaii and UCI would seem to make sense considering they've been trading #1s. Then again, with pretty much everyone in the MPSF hovering around .500, they could easily end up outside the top 3 or even 4.

There is also thge possibility of the MPSF not even getting the bid. What happens if a top team from the east(probably with only 1 or 2 losses) gets upset in their tournament? It could make for an interesting post season landscape.

[Will Rogers Beach]

It's a little too early to even predict this. We're not even half-way through the season. UH still has 17 games to play, if I'm not mistaken. Anything can happen.

[Look At BYU]

It's early, but with two games against Hawaii in Provo, it could be a sweep. Though it could be a sweep for Hawaii as well. Also, with Irvine coming through Provo, BYU may come away with four wins against the top 2 teams in the country. There is stil Pepperdine, but I think BYU is a team to look at.

[Roofan]

Guys

Way too early to start talking bids. Facts are, of the top 4 teams, only UH and UCI have played each other and they split. (In conferance, not the USCB tourney) It is interesting to note that many of the post already leave Pepp out of the mix. Here is the FACTS...should Pepp beat UCI this weekend they will be the new #1. It looks as if they are finally getting consistant setting from Mayer, and Hein and Gledhill are becoming solid role players for Pepp they way Van Reusan and Winters were last season. Keenan is the best Middle by FAR in the country, Winters has filled the void left by Walker seamlessly, and Rooney is still only a Soph who is really becoming a force as a blocker in his 2nd year.

Don't forget...last year at this time, many people weren't sold on Daniels as a setter and all he did was get 1st team AVCA all-american...if Mayer can be even 80% of what Beau was, then the team that was the most consistant all last season will get the title they should have won last year!

As another famous poster here would say...Bookumdano!!!!
;D

[Anonymous Beachman]

Seems to me that there is one helluva lot of volleyball left to play before we start deciding "who gets the bid". The fact remains that no matter "who gets the bid", there will be several VERY GOOD teams who will be on the outside looking in. My regret is that this tournament hasn't been expanded to, say, six teams with 4 coming from the MPSF and the other two coming from where they currently come from. That way, at least 4 MPSF teams would have a legitimate shot at winning the title instead of just two.

[the future]

So you are telling me that we should represent the West with 4 bids and the others 2. Come' on my friend!

Out of the total DI and DII schools = 31 schools California has 12 = %39 of the teams participating in Men's volleyball.

HHHHMMMM!
Maybe we should just have an open tourney and let everyone get in...just like t-ball, and of course give everyone trophies so nobody's feelings get hurt.

First, we have a tough time selling 4 teams to the NCAA, luckily we have made money some years.

Second, imperfect or not this system is the way it is and it won't change. But this is a year that the West must be feally careful not to loose its bid to a midwest team...Some of them are good enough to take it.



West - 12 schools total
DI = 11 schools
DII = 1 school

Mid - West = 8 schools total
DI = 4 schools
DII = 4 schools

East = 11 schools
DI = 7 schools
DII = 4 schools

NCAA Division I
Ball State
BYU
Cal State Northridge
George Mason
Harvard
Hawaii
Indiana Purdue Fort Wayne
Long Beach State
Loyola-Chicago
Ohio State
Pacific
Penn State
Pepperdine
Princeton
Rutgers-Newark
Sacred Heart
St. Francis College (PA)
Stanford
UC Irvine
UC Santa Barbara
UCLA
USC

NCAA Division II Concordia College (NY)
East Stroudsburg
Findlay University
Lewis
Mercyhurst College
New Jersey Institute of Technology
Queens College
Quincy
Southampton College
UC San Diego

[Psychopotamus]

Ok, maybe I shouldn't have asked so early. It seemed like an interesting prospect considering the MPSF second place will probably have 5-7 losses, and should an east runner up lose in the tournament, they'll have, at most, proably 3.

[roy]

Not said:

Ok, maybe I shouldn't have asked so early. It seemed like an interesting prospect considering the MPSF second place will probably have 5-7 losses, and should an east runner up lose in the tournament, they'll have, at most, proably 3.

I think its all going to come down to the MSPF tournament. If the number one seed gets knocked off early, they may get the at-large bid. Good examples are BYU in 2001 and Long Beach in 1999 (# 2 seed with a great record). If the number one seed makes it to the MPSF Final and loses, they will still likely get the at-large bid. If the number one seed wins, likely the other team in the MPSF final will get the at large, like last year.

This assumes that the MPSF will get the at large bid, which seems pretty likely again this year. I dont think any of the MIVA or EIVA will likely challenge for the at large.

[Anonymous Beachman]

If you took the MIVA or EIVA teams and put them in the MPSF, over the course of the season they would be scraping the bottom of the conference barrel! Sorry, but that's a fact! There is no perfect scenario or system, I just think that the MPSF is far far superior to either of the other two representatives. On any given night any of the MPSF teams can beat the other but over the course of the season usually several teams prevail. I just like my idea, you like yours, so be it!

[vballah]

YAH beachman! You said it! I am sick of all these people saying that the bid should move east, thats ridiculous. Aside from maybe two teams east of Provo, men's volleyball in that direction is a joke. I mean c'mon, look at Ohio State who was highly ranked by vball mag preseason then they get swept by UCSD, gimme a break.

Go MPSF!! ;D

[Anonymous Beachman]

There is a lot of talk on this thread about Hawaii and BYU but has anyone checked the MPSF standings lately??? One team is kind of kicking butt here folks, and it ain't BYU, Hawaii, or UCI! Malibu anyone?

[Barefoot In Kailua]

Pepperdine is awesome, but we all know how it turns out in the end Beachman, another trolley ride for the Warriors .

[VBCrusin]

Hey Kailua,

When Hawaii meets Pepperdine for the Final this year, you can forget your celebration trolley ride downtown. UH will be paddling back on a surfboard from the Pyramid.

Hey Bookum...I'll bet my California/Hawaiian shirt to your Hawaiian shirt on the UH vs Pepperdine shirt. Incidentally, please be sure you give me an XL and not one of your Medium shirts. Thank you.

[Barefoot In Kailua]

VBCrusin said:

Hey Kailua,

When Hawaii meets Pepperdine for the Final this year, you can forget your celebration trolley ride downtown. UH will be paddling back on a surfboard from the Pyramid.

Crusin, I think it would be better for the Warriors to fly back to Hawai'i, It's a long way from California to Hawai'i on a surfboard, and besides, We wouldn't want the celebration to be delayed .

Seriously though, It's still a bit too early for me to make a prediction. I'll have a better idea of where Hawai'i is at after their matches against Pepperdine and BYU. The only thing I know for certain is that anything can happen in the MPSF. I'll submit that at least at this point in the season, the Waves are a little better off than the Warriors. I will not argue against Pepperdine beating Hawai'i in the finals, My predictions are usually terrible, unlike yours and those of Mvdad's, who seem to be pretty accurate.

[VBCrusin]

Hey Barefoot,

I enjoy bantering with loyal fans, and I find the Hawaii fans are the most adamant and die-hard.

It's way too early to crown the Final Winner (although I predicted Pep will do it). It seems that I'm pretty good at predicting matches, BUT when it comes to Hawaii, those are my only errors. Last year, Hawaii proved me wrong in the final. This year, my only two errors invloved Hawaii. UH has great games and then sometimes they go into "the tank." They're lacking the consistency this year, but hopefully they'll get it together by tournament time (I'm sure they will). I want my revenge, and also Bookum's Hawaiian shirt.

Incidentally, I think the Bows will lose a number of games in the next few weeks. We'll see.