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Post by curly on Aug 22, 2008 10:31:51 GMT -5
This is one you don't see very often, and the U.S. announcers and the refs all missed it. If you recorded this match, you should go back and watch NBC's slow motion replay.
In game 4 with the U.S. down 18-21, David Lee attacks the ball on the left side. Russia is called in the net, and the point goes to the U.S.
The replay shows that the Russians did not touch the net (at least as far as I could see), but Lee actually kicked the bottom of the net with his left foot during his attack!
I would guess that the refs missed it because it's such an unusual event that they just aren't watching for it.
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Post by foreignball on Aug 22, 2008 10:52:41 GMT -5
I remember this moment of the game but apparently missed the “bottom kick” – after the replay I was wondering who did they call on the net because RUS block looked clean.
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Post by GatorVball on Aug 22, 2008 11:28:25 GMT -5
Was it a worse call than the no call on the Russian setter at 13-12 in the 5th set? Fortunately it didn't change the outcome, but that was a huge blown call.
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Post by Murina on Aug 22, 2008 11:41:05 GMT -5
Was it a worse call than the no call on the Russian setter at 13-12 in the 5th set? Fortunately it didn't change the outcome, but that was a huge blown call. I wouldn't call the set a blown call. It was called (not called) correctly according to FIVB refereeing directives. Outside the USA there is no way that set would get called late in a close game. Notice the USA team wasted nary a moment complaining about it? |
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Post by pogoball on Aug 22, 2008 15:48:57 GMT -5
It's hard to tell on the TV for sure, but it sure seemed to me like the Russians had 3 foot faults in the first two sets. Commentators even remarked on one of them. Fortunately, two of them were served out anyway.
Anyone else notice? I didn't see the last few sets, so I don't know whether it continued.
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Post by baywatcher on Aug 22, 2008 21:51:44 GMT -5
The "mangled" set is a precursor of NCAA next year as the international rule re second handling is adopted. Essentially, the rule says the ref should ignore grabs and lifts when they are part of a spectacular play, in order to keep the flow going and promote crowd pleasing plays. Interesting point; the pass to the setter was toward his left pin, and the setter went out of his way to grab the ball and throw it back to his best hitter on the right. It was not a difficult, nor spectacular, play until the setter intentionally made it so. He was not saving a bad pass, just manipulating a poor one. Be interested to hear from any refs who saw the play if they agree, or would have let it go.
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Post by Phaedrus on Aug 22, 2008 21:56:55 GMT -5
F)**(&*$&ing kill me now!
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Post by cbrown1709 on Aug 23, 2008 1:13:26 GMT -5
What about the no-touch call that the replay clearly showed was wrong as well.
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Post by baywatcher on Aug 23, 2008 1:23:19 GMT -5
Instant replay in volleyball? For what; touch, lines? Not for sets and lifts?
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Post by rogero1 on Aug 23, 2008 1:25:25 GMT -5
What about the no-touch call that the replay clearly showed was wrong as well. I can hear it now...Instant replays to slow the game down even more.  Those micro-touches are hard to see unless you are at the right angle to see them. With 4 line judges, it is pretty hard to miss a call (unless they are not that good to begin with). |
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Post by rogero1 on Aug 23, 2008 1:29:23 GMT -5
I remember this moment of the game but apparently missed the “bottom kick” – after the replay I was wondering who did they call on the net because RUS block looked clean. Sounds like the R2 was watching the ball instead of the net and then tried to make up for missing the initial net by calling the blocker in the net. |
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Post by rogero1 on Aug 23, 2008 1:52:14 GMT -5
The "mangled" set is a precursor of NCAA next year as the international rule re second handling is adopted. Essentially, the rule says the ref should ignore grabs and lifts when they are part of a spectacular play, in order to keep the flow going and promote crowd pleasing plays. Interesting point; the pass to the setter was toward his left pin, and the setter went out of his way to grab the ball and throw it back to his best hitter on the right. It was not a difficult, nor spectacular, play until the setter intentionally made it so. He was not saving a bad pass, just manipulating a poor one. Be interested to hear from any refs who saw the play if they agree, or would have let it go. The rule was in place last year, but the coaches & fans (& referees) need a year or two to adjust their thinking. I would have love to hear those referees' post-match debriefing. Your interpretation of a spectacular play might not agree with that R1. If a player jumps over a barrier, catches, and throws the ball back to a teammate, is that a spectacular play? Looks like it to me. If a player is standing still and mangles the set, is that a spectacular play? Probably not. I remember hearing some international referees getting ripped for calling a match too tight (and I thought they were fine according to what I saw with womens collegiate play). If you have seen the NCAA Div. I-II or NIRSA men play, that is about the level of ball handling to expect this year. Most Div. III mens teams still think that ball handling should be called like the HS game. |
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