Lew8ftln
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Post by Lew8ftln on Apr 17, 2009 0:10:01 GMT -5
Pics from nationals photographers now are up at the NIRSA website.
I'd check out kc2009-35566. Pretty good snapshot of what everyone was trying to stop this year.
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Post by kcvolleyball on Apr 17, 2009 0:28:12 GMT -5
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Post by jerkass2 on Apr 17, 2009 1:10:04 GMT -5
thats not even at full height....
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Post by onceabighitter on Apr 17, 2009 1:20:27 GMT -5
I think everyone is missing the point. While it might be nice to have more tourneys, the keys is for some of the teams who don't travel to STEP IT UP, and start to travel. And for those school who do travel for tourneys, take that EXTRA STEP and play more than just tourneys. If you go to Far Westerns, do a few days early and play Sac St, Cal or UC Davis in a 2 of 5 match with fans!! If you Travel to the HI, play a match a day or two before against Illinois or someone. If you are going to Vegas (it may be harder to do, but not impossible, ask Clint to set up a match the nigt before. Imagine Fresno vs Illinois or Oshkosh vs Ariz best 3 of 5....make the travle worth your while!!
As for a tourney in Florida, I think you'd be hard pressed to get that may teams. they key is to get a number of local (driveable schools) and then add in the traveling teams.
The Great 8 was an awesome tourney..not just Cali teams.. I remember Illinois, Mich St, Graceland, Indiana (when they were good), Rutgers, and I think Marqueete one year, among others playing the best West coast and Mountain League teams! Why did that tourney die??/
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Post by kcvolleyball on Apr 17, 2009 2:39:37 GMT -5
I remember the Great 8 from back in the day. It was a super tournament because it usually had 8 of the top 15 ranked teams come out. Pretty much every match, from initial pools to the finals was at a good gold bracket caliber. After a couple of days of this, you really do see which teams are good and which are at that next level. Even in all the 'big' tournaments you don't get high caliber matches every single match. You'll have some DII or DIII men's teams mixed in 1st day pools with the DI teams. While great workout for those lower level teams, it can turn into a bench match for the higher levels.
As for where it went? My opinion is that because the venue and date changed every year and it was by invitation only to those ranked teams, it got hard to plan to attend and difficult financially for those top teams to travel to it every year. It's ok if a team can drive it, but especially hard if it was out of area and needs a flight. I also think Great 8 was around before the Vegas tournament got as big as it has in the last few years.
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Post by muoh61010 on Apr 17, 2009 14:30:16 GMT -5
Marquette made the trip to the Great 8 in 2005, the first time they had ever traveled to Cali. They got to see some great teams. Lost in the semi-finals to Cal when they had Al Glitz
What happened later that year? They won nationals in KC. Traveling helps.
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Post by onceabighitter on Apr 17, 2009 16:03:11 GMT -5
Marquette made the trip to the Great 8 in 2005, the first time they had ever traveled to Cali. They got to see some great teams. Lost in the semi-finals to Cal when they had Al Glitz What happened later that year? They won nationals in KC. Traveling helps. Enough said... What happened to that tourney (I think it started with 8 teams but maybe morphed into something a bit larger like 10 or 12 teams. I played it the first year at UC Davis..every match was so tough. That first year I think every team that made the Top 8 at Nationals was also at that tourney. Fresno, Utah Valley, Graceland, Mich St, Cal, SDSU, Sac St, Ariz, Rutgers etc.... That tourney was actually WAY better than Nationals from a competitive standpoint. Imagine the top 8 at Nationals from this year playing in a Round Robin format...thats how good and tough it was. It was some weird Round Robin that allowed everyone to play each other with the top 2 playing in the finals. It was crazy as teams like Utah Valley (with Hillman , et al...who finished second at Nationals) went 3-4 or something like that at this tourney. Someone needs to start that tourney back up! What gives Imagine a tourney something like this (using this years teams..obviously a sample assuming easier to get the west coast teams and other teams we know travel well) Pool A Pool B Pool C Illinois Oshkosh Fresno Utah Valley Arizona UCLA UCLA Sac St Lakeland Cal Poly SLO Ohio St Cal Berkeley Not a bad tourney huh?
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Post by giba911 on Apr 17, 2009 18:14:15 GMT -5
That is a nice tournament. Only problem is Lakeland has never gone out west to play in a tournament. Can't sell enough beer at the county fair I guess. Still can't believe nobody taped the finals, or at least one of the semi's.
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Post by Durian on Apr 17, 2009 20:47:48 GMT -5
Utah Valley has been playing matches against UCLA the last two years when they travel to play in the LBCC opener I believe it will be happening again this year. Matches are such a great idea, it probably would work best in the Nor Cal conference. Utah would be a great place as well if the competition was better. There is Utah State, U of U, SLCC, UVU, and BYU puts together a club team to play in local tourneys that does not play at nationals.
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Post by Durian on Apr 17, 2009 20:49:56 GMT -5
Marquette made the trip to the Great 8 in 2005, the first time they had ever traveled to Cali. They got to see some great teams. Lost in the semi-finals to Cal when they had Al Glitz What happened later that year? They won nationals in KC. Traveling helps. Enough said... What happened to that tourney (I think it started with 8 teams but maybe morphed into something a bit larger like 10 or 12 teams. I played it the first year at UC Davis..every match was so tough. That first year I think every team that made the Top 8 at Nationals was also at that tourney. Fresno, Utah Valley, Graceland, Mich St, Cal, SDSU, Sac St, Ariz, Rutgers etc.... That tourney was actually WAY better than Nationals from a competitive standpoint. Imagine the top 8 at Nationals from this year playing in a Round Robin format...thats how good and tough it was. It was some weird Round Robin that allowed everyone to play each other with the top 2 playing in the finals. It was crazy as teams like Utah Valley (with Hillman , et al...who finished second at Nationals) went 3-4 or something like that at this tourney. Someone needs to start that tourney back up! What gives Imagine a tourney something like this (using this years teams..obviously a sample assuming easier to get the west coast teams and other teams we know travel well) Pool A Pool B Pool C Illinois Oshkosh Fresno Utah Valley Arizona UCLA UCLA Sac St Lakeland Cal Poly SLO Ohio St Cal Berkeley Not a bad tourney huh? Solid. Maybe one more pool with some east coast teams and maybe midwest teams. And make the most central location host. get on it!!
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Post by fresnovb on Apr 19, 2009 13:54:50 GMT -5
peluche : god knows those boys need a tan! and we (Long Beach) do host a tourney these past two years, and will be holding it again next season. Many great teams from cali and ariz come out, we would love to have more teams come from far away and try to make it a bigger tourney. The main problem with the Long beach tourney is the fact that there aren't refs...any at all not even up refs. It has a feeling of a poorly run hs tourney. If you're going to make the trip to cali to play good teams I would definitely suggest the far westerns tournament. It has as good competition as lb if not better and is a far better ran tournament.
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Post by lbsuclub on Apr 19, 2009 22:39:40 GMT -5
peluche : god knows those boys need a tan! and we (Long Beach) do host a tourney these past two years, and will be holding it again next season. Many great teams from cali and ariz come out, we would love to have more teams come from far away and try to make it a bigger tourney. The main problem with the Long beach tourney is the fact that there aren't refs...any at all not even up refs. It has a feeling of a poorly run hs tourney. If you're going to make the trip to cali to play good teams I would definitely suggest the far westerns tournament. It has as good competition as lb if not better and is a far better ran tournament. We are going to have refs next tournament, we are also going to run it better. It was hard to keep track of the team and the tournament. We will also have the pyramid that will add court space, and better courts. Also I am sure that far westerns is run better as of now because they have been doing it for years, we have only done it for two and are still working out the kinks and making things better.
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Post by kcvolleyball on Apr 20, 2009 0:25:05 GMT -5
The main problem with the Long beach tourney is the fact that there aren't refs...any at all not even up refs. It has a feeling of a poorly run hs tourney. If you're going to make the trip to cali to play good teams I would definitely suggest the far westerns tournament. It has as good competition as lb if not better and is a far better ran tournament. We are going to have refs next tournament, we are also going to run it better. It was hard to keep track of the team and the tournament. We will also have the pyramid that will add court space, and better courts. Also I am sure that far westerns is run better as of now because they have been doing it for years, we have only done it for two and are still working out the kinks and making things better. That's true. Davis' has been running the Far Westerns for over 20 years. GL on running your tournament even better each year LB!
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Post by vtmiddle24 on Apr 22, 2009 11:35:32 GMT -5
how many years has vegas been going on? and what are the odds of it being ran better next year?
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Post by vbtrain on Apr 22, 2009 16:09:37 GMT -5
check this play out
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