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Post by mvbdad on Apr 24, 2005 20:05:59 GMT -5
Why do you think Scates plays the George Masons and Lewis' every year is to get their votes . Usually they will be the best team they see all year long, even if it is not true. You know they dion't go back there for the competition.
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Post by Will Rogers Beach on Apr 25, 2005 2:16:19 GMT -5
"Why do you think Scates plays the George Masons and Lewis' every year is to get their votes . Usually they will be the best team they see all year long, even if it is not true. You know they dion't go back there for the competition."
FYI - George Mason came out to California in March and played CSUN, UCLA and Cal Baptist. Lewis participated at the Outrigger Tourney in Hawai'i in January and also came out to California to play USC, LB and Cal Baptist. Rutgers also came out to California to play UCLA, LB and UCSB.
Check your facts before you make such an insipid remark. Coaches want their teams to face tough competition to better prepare them. Sadly, the only way Mid-West and East Coast teams can do this is to make a trip to the West Coast or Hawai'i. With the diminishing number of men's college volleyball programs, it is imperative that we promote the sport. It is expected that people root for their teams. But, must we put down other teams or coaches to make ourselves feel better?
Like everyone else, I have my favorites. But, personally, I would rather see a great match and let the best team win!
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Post by VBbeast on Apr 25, 2005 9:31:39 GMT -5
I'm not a big UCLA fan, but I gotta say they aren't out of this yet. If Pep wins the MPSF tourney Id say UCLA still has close to a 50 - 50 shot of making it as the at large. This will be convoluted but here is my prediction Pepperdine is in regardless. If Pepperdine loses either semis or finals UCLA is out. CSUN must win it all to have any chance of getting in. UCSB must win it all to have any chance of getting in. If LBSU loses to Pepperdine in the finals they could still get in as the at large based on their head to head with UCLA, season record, and how far they went in the tourney. If Pepp beats anyone else in the finals I will predict that UCLA still gets in on the at large based on season, head to head, and tournament host consideration. BYU and Hawaii better luck next year. Of coure I could be wrong, but those are the scenarios ill go on record predicting  |
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Post by vb on Apr 25, 2005 11:50:59 GMT -5
Stop talking about it and do something!
Get those lazy MPSF teams to travel east to prove they are better. The rest of the country laughs at the arrogance of MPSF teams that refuse to play outside their division unless they have the huge home court advantage.
Get smart! Prove you are better-before you brag you are better.
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Post by hhandd on Apr 25, 2005 12:38:20 GMT -5
MPSF teams going to the East...
The MPSF consists of a 22 match schedule...by far the largest of any of the 3 MVB conferences... since the NCAA limit on numbers of contest dates is 28...that leaves only 6 dates to play other competition...
For many of the teams 2 dates are taken up by the UCSB Tourney to start off the year... other dates are used to help promote programs like Cal Baptist... other teams have their own tournaments like the one at UCSD and at LBSU... and then the rest of the dates are taken up with playing those teams coming out from the East and Midwest on their spring breaks to the West Coast to thaw out and finally see the sun for the first time in about 3 months....
The best team(s) in the EIVA and the MIVA could no doubt compete fairly well in the MPSF (in fact they probably wish they could...I mean how thrilling it must be for Penn State to play Harvard... wow, you gotta get up for that battle..twice a year... yawn)
But the MPSF clearly has the best teams and night after night there are great matches to watch... just look at what happened in the first night of the playoffs...
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Post by swingaway on Apr 25, 2005 13:50:44 GMT -5
Stop talking about it and do something! Get those lazy MPSF teams to travel east to prove they are better. The rest of the country laughs at the arrogance of MPSF teams that refuse to play outside their division unless they have the huge home court advantage. Get smart! Prove you are better-before you brag you are better. CSUN travels east every other year. Two matches at IPFW this year. George Mason and Quincy played in California. The "mighty east" won one game. |
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Post by miva123 on Apr 25, 2005 14:05:28 GMT -5
Those are some of the worst teams from the East....
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Post by vb on Apr 25, 2005 14:11:39 GMT -5
CSUN travels east every other year. Two matches at IPFW this year. George Mason and Quincy played in California. The "mighty east" won one game. (Quincy played in California...........) What a terrific arguement...I bet you were great on your debate team. How about the PSU and Loyola being 5-1 in California during spring break? This is an age-old arguement that comes up whenever the FF reformat is discussed. Ten years ago (when UCLA was dominate because there were only 20 good VB players in the country) the MPSF was king. In future years the playing field will become even more equal. |
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Post by vballmom on Apr 25, 2005 14:15:04 GMT -5
I hope that it does become more equal and that the sport grows because of it. Maybe then, we will see a larger NCAA tournament format of some sort.
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Post by midwestr on Apr 25, 2005 15:23:01 GMT -5
I remember last year when Pepperdine went out to the Lewis Cheddar's Tournament. The Waves played the best MIVA team that year and crushed them and did the same thing the following night to Loyola.
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Post by Rocky on Apr 25, 2005 16:13:27 GMT -5
"(Quincy played in California...........) What a terrific arguement...I bet you were great on your debate team. How about the PSU and Loyola being 5-1 in California during spring break?" vb - you are the one missing the point and reality. I don't normally get involved with these discussions, but this is crazy. MPSF teams DO travel to the midwest/east. and Midwest/east teams travel to California . . . for whatever reasons. CSUN did go this year as did some other teams and several teams went last year. For the record - According to Loyola's schedule, this year they played three MPSF teams. They played Pacific, UC Irvine, and UC San Diego. And, Loyola won all of those matches. I gotta say, I am not impressed if you are looking at strength of schedule. None of those three teams even made it into the MPSF playoffs. Not to take away from their victories, but I would not take the wins that seriously. According to Penn State's schedule, this year they had seven matches against MPSF teams. They lost to Hawaii, lost to UCLA, split with BYU, beat UC Irvine, beat UC San Diego, and beat USC. I have to say again, I am not impressed. The split with BYU might be impressive, but Northridge, Santa Barbara, and Long Beach all split with BYU. So, maybe a split is not that impressive since the 5th, 6th and 7th seeds in the MPSF playoffs did the same thing. Beating UC Irvine, UC San Diego, and USC is not impressive either. And, losing to Hawaii and UCLA is certainly not impressive. I would not put any strength of schedule claim to going 5-1 with MPSF teams over spring break if you are talking about the wins against UCSD, USC and UC Irvine. The MPSF teams beat up on them all season. I have said all season (and last season as well) any team can beat any team on any given night. It certainly proved true last Saturday night in the MPSF first round. I am not so sure the same statement can be made outside the MPSF right now. Loyola and Penn State are positioned to win their titles and move on to the Final Four. Let's see who comes out of the MPSF. It truly is anybody's game! Just my two cents . . .  |
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Post by weaver on Apr 25, 2005 16:48:09 GMT -5
If the UCLA starting setter is not available?
NCAA guideline - (c) Eligibility and availability of student-athletes for NCAA championships.
Selection
[Reference: Annual Forms in this handbook, and Bylaws 31.01.2, 31.01.3 and 31.3 in the
NCAA Manual.]
Automatic qualifiers will be determined by championship tournaments
in each conference. The remaining at-large team will be selected using the
following criteria (in no priority order):
(a) Won-lost record;
(b) Strength of schedule;
• head-to-head competition
• home and away records
• records against common opponents
• results against teams already qualified and other teams under
consideration; and
(c) Eligibility and availability of student-athletes for NCAA championships.
All NCAA member institutions that sponsor intercollegiate men’s volleyball
under the auspices of the intercollegiate athletics department will be considered
for selection, provided that they are otherwise eligible in the division in which
they hold membership.
Forfeits, as determined by a referee’s ruling, will be categorized as wins or
losses.
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Post by swingaway on Apr 25, 2005 16:57:24 GMT -5
(Quincy played in California...........) What a terrific arguement...I bet you were great on your debate team. How about the PSU and Loyola being 5-1 in California during spring break? And IPFW took Loyola, your powerhouse to 5 the following week. Be happy with your auto bid to the FF and, as you have pointed out in your prior post: Get smart! Prove you are better-before you brag you are better. |
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Post by Charlie on Apr 25, 2005 17:08:08 GMT -5
I hope that it does become more equal and that the sport grows because of it. Maybe then, we will see a larger NCAA tournament format of some sort. I think we will continue to see more men's programs becoming competitive. But, that won't prompt a bigger NCAA tournament. That issue revolves around money. You would have to see many more men's programs added at D1 schools. THAT is not going to happen anytime soon, unfortunately. |
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Post by lzyvolleyer on Apr 26, 2005 1:24:27 GMT -5
UCLA is out if it, you cant overlook that early a loss to a much weaker team(sorry csun, but you have one game left this season).
As for the at large bid, assuming pep wins the MPSF, its most likely going to the runner up. i.e. USCB or LBS.
In this case, Long Beach has been waxed by SB home and away this regular season by UCSB. I think its gonna happen again.
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