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Post by tigfan on Apr 26, 2005 19:45:15 GMT -5
If I was Penn State, I'd lose in the EIVA final on purpose. Assuming Pepperdine wins (which is not a done deal) and Loyola wins (pretty much a done deal unless they absolutely choke)... Penn State would be almost garaunteed the At-Large spot saying as they are ranked #2...
By losing on purpose, they would eliminate 1 of the MPSF powerhouses... It's crazy, but it's the only shot they have of winning the whole thing... I'd sure like to hear the MPSF crowd if this were to happen... lol
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Post by vb on Apr 26, 2005 20:12:56 GMT -5
I laughed and thought this was a joke...till I saw that Tigfan wrote it. Good pick up.
Another possiblility is after Pepperdine loses, PSU get #1bid and plays Loyola in the first round.
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Post by roy on Apr 26, 2005 20:13:36 GMT -5
I don't think that is going to work. Penn State doesn't have a great record against the top MPSF teams. They have loses to Hawaii, BYU, and UCLA, #2-4 in the MSPF. They have wins over BYU, UCI, USC, and UCSD. But if Pepperdine wins the MPSF title, based on head to head results, UCLA might end up with the at large and that would leave Penn State out of the Final Four. And if Penn State did decide to do that (Pavlik has too much class to do it), Pepperdine could throw the MPSF final and get the at large instead.
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Post by vb on Apr 26, 2005 20:35:22 GMT -5
Marv doesn't have the class?
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Post by edge on Apr 26, 2005 23:11:02 GMT -5
maybe penn st should join another conference so that a free ride to the final four isn't possible anymore. this is unbelievable. i would love nothing more than to see this team lose in the playoffs. they are like the buffalo bills. they make it to the dance, but never get out on the dance floor to shake a leg.
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Post by OC4 on Apr 27, 2005 0:20:42 GMT -5
maybe penn st should join another conference so that a free ride to the final four isn't possible anymore. this is unbelievable. i would love nothing more than to see this team lose in the playoffs. they are like the buffalo bills. they make it to the dance, but never get out on the dance floor to shake a leg. If Penn State joined another league then we would have a team like Harvard or Rutgers getting a free ride to the final four... I prefer the current way over that. |
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Post by banthony2 on Apr 27, 2005 0:27:52 GMT -5
What edge said is true. Penn State should join one of the many other conferences out in the east. Oh wait...THERE AREN'T ANY. They are the only team to legally win a title that isn't from the MPSF. And only one of two teams to legally win a title who wasn't from the state of Cali. Now the MIVA has, by large, been a stronger conference, but what have they done nationally? They have gotten one title stripped. That's it. Now that BYU is gone, I would love for PSU to knock off UCLA in the FF and then outlast Pepp in the finals. I don't think it will happen, but hey, I can hope.
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Post by vballrules on Apr 27, 2005 1:50:12 GMT -5
Now that BYU is gone, I would love for PSU to knock off UCLA in the FF and then outlast Pepp in the finals. I don't think it will happen, but hey, I can hope. Umm, I don't know where you've been, but UCLA is already out, so Penn State won't have to strain to do that for ya. |
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Post by banthony2 on Apr 27, 2005 3:06:09 GMT -5
Umm, I don't know where you've been, but UCLA is already out, so Penn State won't have to strain to do that for ya. I have been following well enough to know that with the 2,3 and 4 seeds all out of the MPSF tourney and UCLA having much better records than LBSU, UCSB or CSUN, that UCLA has a great chance of getting the at large. That would give Pepp the 1 seed. PSU the 2 seed. UCLA probably with the 3 seed and Loyola the 4 seed. Pepp will play Loyola and PSU will play UCLA. Now there is still two more matches to be played, but if seeds play out this is very feasible. This isn't March Madness and a loss in the MPSF doesn't automatically mean you are done. |
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Post by VBbeast on Apr 27, 2005 9:43:16 GMT -5
First of all Penn St. would be silly to sandbag to try for the at large because they would A) be throwing away a pretty much sure thing trip to the final four B) lose their bid for the at large bid to UCLA due to their head to head record which defeats the purpose of the entire exercise and C) Until they know Pepperdine has won the MPSF tourney it would be silly to drop a match because they would most certainly lose out to Pepperdine as far as being an at large bid. Fact is they won't know who wins in the MPSF till after they play so once again defeats the purpose of the entire idea. Pepperdine on the other hand might be asking themselves who their toughest opponent would be in Pauley to win a national championship.... because if they opted to not worry about winning the MPSF tourney they would still get to the FF as the at large bid, and most likely would still be seeded number one at the FF, and not have to worry about facing UCLA for a national title on their home floor. I'm not suggesting Pepp should do this, but you can't tell me some coaching staffs haven't thought about it.  |
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Post by vballmom on Apr 27, 2005 9:58:52 GMT -5
The MPSF tournament Final won't even start until the EIVA Final is over. That would be a huge risk to take.
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Post by akbar on Apr 27, 2005 11:08:55 GMT -5
"sandbagging" - "throwing matches" -- Wow.... that is pretty much loser talk. I am surprised at you Tigfan for such suggestion. For PSU or for any EIVA team to be the favorite and lose in the EIVA title game and to hope/expect to the get the at large bid......NOT going to happen. In fact the same scenario happened to PSU in the late 80's. They had the #1 team in the Nation for most of the season and beaten most all MPSF teams throughout the year. They lost Mason (Acosta) in 5 after losing their big gun to an injury the match before. The committee took SB instead of Penn State even though PSU had beaten the gauchos 2 times that year. I could have some of the details mixed up a bit but pretty sure it went down like that. Point is no matter what this year the at large bid goes to a MPSF team.....and deservedly so! Don't ever throw a match on purpose!  |
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Post by VBaller23 on Apr 27, 2005 11:10:28 GMT -5
I have been following well enough to know that with the 2,3 and 4 seeds all out of the MPSF tourney and UCLA having much better records than LBSU, UCSB or CSUN, that UCLA has a great chance of getting the at large. That would give Pepp the 1 seed. PSU the 2 seed. UCLA probably with the 3 seed and Loyola the 4 seed. Pepp will play Loyola and PSU will play UCLA. Now there is still two more matches to be played, but if seeds play out this is very feasible. This isn't March Madness and a loss in the MPSF doesn't automatically mean you are done. UCLA should not get the at large bid... bottom line. They don't deserve it, they have been beaten by LBSU in the past month, gone 5 with san diego, and lost in the first round of playoffs. Their overall record compared to teams like LBSU is better yes, but the committee must look at how teams have been playing in the past month or so, i think LBSU deserves it if they make it to the finals, i mean they have won the last 12 out of 14 matches beating pepp, ucla and hawaii. |
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Post by tigfan on Apr 27, 2005 12:53:19 GMT -5
The only reason I would want this to happen is because i'd like to watch all the MPSF-lovers riot in the streets... I was being mostly sarcastic... but i think Penn State has an argument to get the at-large bid if they lose in the final... moreso than UCLA does losing in the quarterfinal... i just think it's odd that everyone from the MPSF thinks that the At-Large spot is garaunteed... It'll be interesting to see which teams get left out...
MPSF fans need to see the light... there's more volleyball than california... and if you look at the rosters, a lot of the good players are from all over these days. The days of southern california dominated volleyball are over. It's only a matter of time before a team like Loyola, or Penn State, or Lewis, or Ohio State will win a title (legally.) The talent pool is spreading out, there are more good players today than 10 years ago and they're going to different schools.
Most the MIVA-haters and EIVA-haters are SCARED TO DEATH of PSU and LOYOLA this year because they KNOW they're good... and good for them, they work hard. I hope it pays off in the end for them.
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Post by lalalaluuuke on Apr 27, 2005 13:13:20 GMT -5
If Penn State lost their conference final it would look worse than UCLA losing to CSUN in 5. Because whoever PSU loses to probably won't be a ranked team, certainly not a top 10 team. UCLA would get the edge.
Also, I don't think anyone is afraid of PSU or Loyola. Concerned about PSU, probably, but SCARED TO DEATH OF LOYOLA AND PSU?? ARE YOU KIDDING ME??
reality check...
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